Why are the Milistarum and Space Marines Enemies

[jaredrp1]

Is that how the lore is?

[Jeffer'son Airship]

Space Marine chapters can often be fairly self serving which sometimes puts them into conflict with the IG.

Basically the IG is likely working under the orders of the Inquistion and/or Adeptus Mechanicus while the space marine chapter likely wants the relics for their use alone.

[Cryptomancer]

If you play the Space Marine story, it's explained in there. It struck me as odd too but it's part of the lore for *this* game at least. I assume there's something similar in the IG story, haven't played them yet though.

[of Anwyl]

IG doesn't take ♥♥♥♥ from the adeptus mechanicus. If the tech priests want something done they'd send the Skittles who would kill space marine and guardsmen both.

[Desolator]

Originally posted by of Anwyl:

IG doesn't take ♥♥♥♥ from the adeptus mechanicus. If the tech priests want something done they'd send the Skittles who would kill space marine and guardsmen both.

Skitari do *not* go toe to toe with space marines my man

[of Anwyl]

Originally posted by Desolator:

Originally posted by of Anwyl:

IG doesn't take ♥♥♥♥ from the adeptus mechanicus. If the tech priests want something done they'd send the Skittles who would kill space marine and guardsmen both.

Skitari do *not* go toe to toe with space marines my man

Rust stalkers would murder the ♥♥♥♥ out of mere space marines my man.

[Lichlord9333]

here's a screen with the ingame pop up when you meet the IG as Space Marines

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1439474585

Gotta say tho with this heresy talk and a warp storm, you got to wonder why a Chaos faction isn't included...

[Private Panzer]

Just saying, the space marines $ imperial guard have fought each other in multiple games and i believe in the lore as well. Mainly due to both sides fighting for the emperor and each other's goals being different from each others.

[beartech28]

If you have read any of the books or played any of the other games in the 40k world... You would know. The IG are a working on orders most likely 10 years old from a back logged system from terra.

The SM often come to blows with the IG because the IG are dumb. Seriously they are the lowest common denominator of mass produced hive world scum. SM usually are trying to save the Galaxy while IG are usually just trying not to die.

[of Anwyl]

Originally posted by beartech28:

If you have read any of the books or played any of the other games in the 40k world... You would know. The IG are a working on orders most likely 10 years old from a back logged system from terra.

The SM often come to blows with the IG because the IG are dumb. Seriously they are the lowest common denominator of mass produced hive world scum. SM usually are trying to save the Galaxy while IG are usually just trying not to die.

Correction space marines tend to be selfish ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥. Dep nding on the chapter they enjoy slaughtering innocents and like to prevent anyone else including imperial guardsmen from learning their faction secrets or taking relics they regard as theirs.

[Evil donut]

Well the Blood Ravens (now a official Games Workshop chapter) slaughtered the IG on more than one ocassion. The Space Wolves and the Grey Knights clashed multiple times too.

The Inquisition and the Space Wolves nearly risked a civil war. The Dark Angels abandoned the IG multiple times, only to the rumor, that one fallen was 2000 Star Systems away from them.

There is a quote in the IG: "When the Space Marines are here to help you, things got really bad...."

When an IG army has "only" 90% causalties it is counted as a "good" performance by imperial standarts.

There was even an ocassion where super loyal IG turned against CUSTODES! (the emperors bodyguard) because the IG thought the custodes were not loyal enough! (Well THIS is madness)

Otherwise a chapter could slaughter imperial regiments too if they think the IG is not loyal enough.

(Black Templars are the best example. The nearly turned against the Blood Ravens, because the Blood Ravens are using a lot of psykers. And the Black Templars exterminated plantes with whole loyal IG armies, because of the mere "consideration" of disloyalty.)

[Jean-Luc]

Because spess mehreens are ♥♥♥♥♥ and need to be put down like the rabid dogs they are.

[Burusagi]

The short answer is that Space Marine Chapters/Legions are unique in how they are rooted in the 31st millenium. They have traditions and stories that dates back to the time of the Emperor, which means that they are able to quickly recognize that the 41st Imperium goes against pretty much all of the wishes of the Emperor.

This often makes them butt heads with 41st institutions, such as the Space Wolves (in)famously refusing to bend knee to the wishes of the Inquisition on multiple occasions.

And, yeah, then you have the batsh*t crazy Chapters like the Grey Knights and Black Templars who are more than happy to kill anyone and everything, of course,

[Imperialus]

Originally posted by Lord Dracoola:

Well the Blood Ravens (now a official Games Workshop chapter) slaughtered the IG on more than one ocassion. The Space Wolves and the Grey Knights clashed multiple times too.

The Inquisition and the Space Wolves nearly risked a civil war. The Dark Angels abandoned the IG multiple times, only to the rumor, that one fallen was 2000 Star Systems away from them.

There is a quote in the IG: "When the Space Marines are here to help you, things got really bad...."

When an IG army has "only" 90% causalties it is counted as a "good" performance by imperial standarts.

There was even an ocassion where super loyal IG turned against CUSTODES! (the emperors bodyguard) because the IG thought the custodes were not loyal enough! (Well THIS is madness)

Otherwise a chapter could slaughter imperial regiments too if they think the IG is not loyal enough.

(Black Templars are the best example. The nearly turned against the Blood Ravens, because the Blood Ravens are using a lot of psykers. And the Black Templars exterminated plantes with whole loyal IG armies, because of the mere "consideration" of disloyalty.)

I think you've pretty much hit the nail on the head. The Imperium is absolutely rife with sectarian warfare. I mean look at our own history. One of our favourite things to do throughout history has been to slaughter other people because they read different books than us, or, worst of all have a different interpretation of the same books.

The Imperium has had the better part of 10,000 years and a communication system based on a psychic game of Chinese Whispers to end up with a thoroughly confused and self-contradictory set of beliefs, values and 'truthyness'. Everyone is a heretic, because... well everyone is a heretic. It is entirely conceivable that the Space Marines would choose to kill the guardsmen because the guardsmen kneel on their right knee when doing space-mass as opposed to kneeling their left knee, or on both knees, or kowtowing, or sticking their fingers in their ears or up their nose, or whatever the hell else it is that the Space Marines Chaplains say is 'right'.

[Bootleg Chauncey]

In Dawn of War 1, space marines fighting Imperial Guard was justified by both sides being under competing orders. The Blood Ravens chapter was told to purge the planet by their chapter master, and the Imperial Guard regiment was told to claim the planet for the Emperor by Segmentum Command. FTL communication doesn't exist in 40k, so neither side was able to call home and clarify their orders. Neither side was willing to defy their superior, so they ended up going to war with each other.

After the war, canonically, the Blood Ravens defeated the Imperial Guard. The IG general who refused to back down against the space marines was hailed as a hero of the Imperium by them for his devotion to duty by the Blood Ravens who killed him. Those guardsmen who fought against the Blood Ravens were sent off-world to rejoin other units. Those guardsmen who had refused to fight against the space marines were executed by as traitors.

[Imperialus]

Originally posted by Gunts:

In Dawn of War 1, space marines fighting Imperial Guard was justified by both sides being under competing orders. The Blood Ravens chapter was told to purge the planet by their chapter master, and the Imperial Guard regiment was told to claim the planet for the Emperor by Segmentum Command. FTL communication doesn't exist in 40k, so neither side was able to call home and clarify their orders. Neither side was willing to defy their superior, so they ended up going to war with each other.

After the war, canonically, the Blood Ravens defeated the Imperial Guard. The IG general who refused to back down against the space marines was hailed as a hero of the Imperium by them for his devotion to duty by the Blood Ravens who killed him. Those guardsmen who fought against the Blood Ravens were sent off-world to rejoin other units. Those guardsmen who had refused to fight against the space marines were executed by as traitors.

Only thing I'd 'correct' you on is that FTL communication does exist... Sort of in the form of Astropaths. The problem is, they 'communicate' in a way that would be most familiar to a sideshow palm reader... "I see bloood and gnashing teeth" could mean anything from "Joe in the next segmentum ate a bad burrito" to "ZOMG! Tyrannids are tearing us apart!"