Space Marines vs. Imperial Guard in a war of conquest??

[Porkie]

Do you know anything about 40k ?

[Hurricane]

SlithFox님이 먼저 게시:

There are reasons related to the main plot of the game for having Space Marines and Imperial Guard fighting eachother. We don't want to make any spoiler on this (at least, not yet ;)) but you can be sure that this choice has been heavily considered.

Hmmm since ;)) russian dev? Or was that the bracket lol?

[LionSaurus]

Never understood why games never make the Imperial Guard and Space Marines a "combined" faction. Basically - you play as the Imperial Guard and after certain thresholds are reached, you can unlock aid from the Space Marines.

I was always bothered by Space Marines fighting Imperial Guards, even though I don't know to much about the lore of Warhammer 40k to be honest =)

[Lampros]

Jesus, it's a freaking game in a fantasy world. Game-play and fun ought to enable some flexibility in regard to lore!

[Okri Grungrunsson]

Lampros님이 먼저 게시:

Jesus, it's a freaking game in a fantasy world. Game-play and fun ought to enable some flexibility in regard to lore!

Disregarding lore really worked out for Dawn of War III... it's almost as if in the 40k IP the lore is the best thing they have going for them.

[Sarcastro]

Bilbo Breeden님이 먼저 게시:

Lampros님이 먼저 게시:

Jesus, it's a freaking game in a fantasy world. Game-play and fun ought to enable some flexibility in regard to lore!

Disregarding lore really worked out for Dawn of War III... it's almost as if in the 40k IP the lore is the best thing they have going for them.

How is IG fighting SM going against lore? It has happened numerous times in 40K history.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=3T5LlwUdC1A

Also DoW 3 failed because it tried to be a MOBA instead of a RTS. It's failure had nothing to do with lore concerns.

[Harbinger]

Lore-wise, AM and SM are completely independent organizations with different command structures, roles, tactics, play-styles, unit compositions, and above all else, different fan-bases. So I can understand the reasons behind them being a separate factions, or fight against each other from times to times.

Combined Imperial faction sounds interesting as well, but that might cause Imperium faction to have almost double unit counts compared to others and I’m not so sure if that would be a great design choice in strategy games.

[of Anwyl]

Harbinger님이 먼저 게시:

Lore-wise, AM and SM are completely independent organizations with different command structures, roles, tactics, play-styles, unit compositions, and above all else, different fan-bases. So I can understand the reasons behind them being a separate factions, or fight against each other from times to times.

Combined Imperial faction sounds interesting as well, but that might cause Imperium faction to have almost double unit counts compared to others and I’m not so sure if that would be a great design choice in strategy games.

Combining imperial factions kinda leaves out adding in even more factions later on from the imperial roster, like the Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Adeptus Custodes, Adeptus Mechanicus/Skitarii, imperial assassins, etc.

Not to mention that when the IG advance, they should be getting Orgyns/Karskins and better tanks, not simply upgrading to boring space marines.

Although I will say it is quite silly for such a small roster. The same roster from say dark crusade would make waaaaaaay more sense in a proper 4x game.

[Edgewalker]

Yeah, SM vs IG sucks big time. I hope there will be an option to play in teams (alliance or whatever) or just fight against multiple nekron/ork/tyranid opponents.

Loyalist players, don't listen to these traitor scum telling you that the Empire should be divided.
Remember: He who stands with me shall be my brother.

(I played tabletop 10+ years and we always played very lore friendly. After dozens of battles 2vs2 as SM chapter fighting alongside IG vs Orks/Chaos or double Tyranid teams I don't see myself doing civil war, no matter what. I guess you could justify that, but it's zero fun.)

[Marcus]

Maybe due to the warp storm the space marines think the govenor is a traitor who secretly follows chaos, but the Imperial guardsmen guarding the planet believe they are being attacked by rouge space marines?

Even if the Commander/Govenor was innocent the mere accusation of chaos worship is mostly a death sentence. The Imperium don't really have proper trials to prove innocent so mostly just kill to be safe then sorry. What that in hindsight the commander may think "screw this, Im not going to let those marines kill me and wreck the world I have spent so long building. Guardsmen! The space marines have gone mad. Kill them and protect your home! For the Emperor!"

After this the Space Marines may then think, "Right they are attacking us, now we KNOW they are heretics. Purge them all brothers! For the Emperor!" This sadly does sometimes happen in the Imperium, especially when there is a breakdown in communication between the Marines and the Guard.

[Marcus]

As a suggestion,maybe as a faction trait, only the Space Marines and Imperial Guards can slowly create an alliance? At first their relationship is hostile, but if the player chose to restrain from attacking them. Attack the aliens first. Maybe even trade resources to generate good will. Overtime the relationship is slowly improved and IG and SM can become allies when they are conviced the other fellow Imperial faction is not out to get them. But to make this more balance for Orks and Necrons, this process takes a long time gameplay wise.

[Morty2989]

Or just stop being nerds and shoot stuff!

[Withywarlock]

Palmer_Eldritch님이 먼저 게시:

Or just stop being nerds and shoot stuff!

That's exactly what xenos scum would say!

[Bill the Gifter]

Huggles `님이 먼저 게시:

Do you know anything about 40k ?

Do you?

[Heart of Storm]

LionSaurus님이 먼저 게시:

Never understood why games never make the Imperial Guard and Space Marines a "combined" faction. Basically - you play as the Imperial Guard and after certain thresholds are reached, you can unlock aid from the Space Marines.

I was always bothered by Space Marines fighting Imperial Guards, even though I don't know to much about the lore of Warhammer 40k to be honest =)

Thats because the IG and Space Marines are different forces, with their own command chains and structures. They're Imperium armies, but they are very different forces, answering to different leaders, and with different objectives / mandates.

The 40K universe is Grimdark, this means even the "good guys" turn on eachother from time to time.

[polymath]

I've recently read a short story where Space Marines completely wiped out a city, because they were worshipping a bolter, left 10000 by Guilliman, while in fact it was left by Horus. So yeah, SM vs IG fight can break out for a variety of reasons.
I, of course, prefer it when brave warriors of the Emperor wipe out the xenos filth together in His name.