Wars

[Red Shift]

Hi all, quick question...
Is it possible to declare war on someone without upsetting your vassals/companions?
If not, are there ways to encourage another faction to declare war on you instead, preferably without suffering honour penalties or suchlike?

[__-__-__]

Your vassals mostly want peace, that being said some factions will declare war on you on thier own you just have to wait a while. I think the key is to not fight endlessly, there are some mods that add more diplomatic options that will result in other factions declaring war on your own.

[Meadows]

Also note. The AI will aim to take back land that belongs to them by default. If you ask the king why he's attacking you. He may say to reclaim land that is rightfull theirs. So if your at war with nords. And you take a settlement from them that previously belonged to the vaigers, eventually, the vaigers will attack you for it.

In a second note.. Dirim is like jerulslum of calridia. It's the main taget of all the AI.

Native to the AI. the ai looks to expand their borders.. so in larger mods where there is no dirim, you will have your closest neighbors attack you first. In native, the borders are so even at game start that you barely notice.

In war, strive for peace. In peace..prepare for war.
You can start a war anytime you want. But you cannot end it when you please.

[Telemachos]

You are looking for Casus Belli in which your reason for war is justified. Which if you see the occassional message throughout the game in where someone from X city are fighting over a city or a fief is pleading to X faction over their Y Overlords. If your faction is named as the victim, then that is your Casus Belli and if you don't go to war over the incidient, you basically take a relations hit, but if you do go to war- then you gain relations with most lords.

Some lords will have quests to provoke war- which I don't think you can still get if you have your own faction, but those come from the more pitiless and debauch lords who like to warmonger.

[Dwight K. Schrute]

Something I just found out. You can declare war by going to another faction's caravan and demanding a toll. It won't hurt relations with your vassals, you get a bit of cash, and you go to war. Still not as good as a casus belli, but can be done whenever you want.

[The Wet Dog]

Originally posted by Dwight K. Schrute:

Something I just found out. You can declare war by going to another faction's caravan and demanding a toll. It won't hurt relations with your vassals, you get a bit of cash, and you go to war. Still not as good as a casus belli, but can be done whenever you want.

Will this affect relations if you are a vassal.

[Raystanz8]

Originally posted by Minotaur1501:

Originally posted by Dwight K. Schrute:

Something I just found out. You can declare war by going to another faction's caravan and demanding a toll. It won't hurt relations with your vassals, you get a bit of cash, and you go to war. Still not as good as a casus belli, but can be done whenever you want.

Will this affect relations if you are a vassal.

You cannot anyway because when you are a vassal you cant provoke a war at all, you have to wait until they declare it on you or you on they. Vassals cant raid the villages of kingdoms that are at peace with their own, nor attack their caravans, villagers, or lords,

[damesh2]

Originally posted by Meadows:

In a second note.. Dirim is like jerulslum of calridia. It's the main taget of all the AI.

So true, Dhirim has changed hands so many times in my game that it is describe as "squalorous" with it being so poor. Some faction is laying siege to it within a week of it being sacked by someone else.

[FourGreenFields]

On a related note: I'm currently trying to provoke a war in VC as vassal. Is there anything I can do beside that quest to raid a village or caravan? Will simply raiding a village/caravan/killing villagers help?

[AxeKnight]

I find that pissing off another faction personally as a vassal will increase the liklihood of a faction declaring war, as you have effectively given them casus belli. Sometimes it doesn't work though and you have a full on faction angry at just you.

Originally posted by FourGreenFields:

On a related note: I'm currently trying to provoke a war in VC as vassal. Is there anything I can do beside that quest to raid a village or caravan? Will simply raiding a village/caravan/killing villagers help?