lords and land

[Secret]

if i get a bunch of lords to follow in my faction and capture land, ill eventually have to hand them out to the other lords, heres my issue: is it possible to give 1 lord a town and NOT have the other lords hate me as if i slaughtered their families?

[White, the Loiterer]

The lords will only hate you if they go too long without land. The only relation change when giving a lord land is them liking you more, some of the other lords might get a little mad at the lord you give the land to but other than that you will be okay.

[Secret]

no matter who i give it too, the other lords keep hating me, so if i get them all land eventually they would chill out and be happy little campers??

[Tuidjy]

Having all your lords be happy little campers is one of the hardest things to achieve in Mount and Blade, especially if you get too many of them. There is no answer that will take less than ten paragraphs.

Here's what I do, and keep in mind that it is not necessarily the best way, just the one that I like:
- I spent a lot of my time before I declare my faction courting martial and cunning lords
- I always act honorable, to ingratiate myself to the benevolent and good-natured lords
- I join a faction that has a lot of martial and cunning lords, and do my best to help them in fights
- I try to please the king so that I gather a lot of fiefs, and I do not accept anything but cities.
- I court and marry a girl from a large family, with permission from the father
- I force the king to wrong me, so that I can rebel without loss of honor
- I end up with a ton of unassigned villages, and I entice sadistic and debauched lords into treason
- I give troops to my lords, to swell my armies, and look stronger than I am
- I go around and convince cunning and martial lords to join me
- I always poll my cunning and martial lords before I assign a fief, I go with their advice
- I only give castles and cities to cunning and martial lords, the rest make do with villages
- I assign fiefs, and some sadistic and debauched lords get pissеd off and leave. Good riddance!
- I кееp destroying factions, and лords ask to join me. I turn away the sadistic and debauched

[Secret]

how do you force the king to wrong you so you can leave?? iv never found out how

[BrowneHawk]

SOme lords are attached to a fief through birth right. Such as if count harirngton is your vassal and you gvie aways harrington castle to someone else he will get pissed. To get wronged by the king keep taking stuff and requesting it. EVentually he will say no, then you get the chance to rebel.

[Secret]

aha, time for a crusade to other lords lands, starting wars and whatnot, i want OUT of the Nords.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by SecretSatan:

how do you force the king to wrong you so you can leave?? iv never found out how

You can leave under "righteous" reasons, keeping your fiefs, if the King refuses you a fief that you have conquered yourself.

Take an enemy's fief. In time, depending upon the number of unrewarded fiefs and Lords, the King will decide who to award it to. Because you were the one that conquered it, your name is already very high on the list - You have a righteous claim to it, no matter how many other fiefs you already have. When the King awards the fief to another, which is likely if you have many fiefs, there are some Lords without any fiefs or there is a large powerful faction that "persuades" the King to give it to another, you will receive a popup message. You can either agree to the King's decision without protest or you can refuse the King's decision and you will be banished from the Faction. However, you will still be able to keep all of your holdings, since you had a righteous reason for feeling betrayed by the King when he didn't award you a fief you had spent blood and treasure taking for the crown.. (This is the only way to leave a faction and retain the fiefs you hold.)

It is worth noting that you will not always get this choice, even if you take an enemy fief. I don't know why that is, but I believe it may be due to some mechanic involving a player already having a great number of fiefs, compared to other Lords, and the faction attracting new Lords which have no fiefs, which is always a very high concern for the King, since he wants his Lords able to produce armies for him. However, in my experience, if you capture enough fiefs, eventually you will get the popup message and will have a choice to leave the faction. Whether that's due to more Lords now having fiefs or some sort of increaing scale in your worthiness for another fief, I don't know.

[Morkonan]

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

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- I only give castles and cities to cunning and martial lords, the rest make do with villages..

Why not give the more important fiefs to Good Natured Lords, who will not take negative relationship hits when other Lords receive fiefs?

(Curious as to your management strategy, here.)

[cqqks]

Native, no mod's.

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

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- I only give castles and cities to cunning and martial lords, the rest make do with villages..

Why not give the more important fiefs to Good Natured Lords, who will not take negative relationship hits when other Lords receive fiefs?

(Curious as to your management strategy, here.)

How do you "guess" which nobles are good natured and not going to lose attitude?

[Phoenix VII]

Originally posted by cqqks:

Native, no mod's.

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Why not give the more important fiefs to Good Natured Lords, who will not take negative relationship hits when other Lords receive fiefs?

(Curious as to your management strategy, here.)

How do you "guess" which nobles are good natured and not going to lose attitude?

Download the Diplomacy mod or take note of what the lords say when they first meet you, when you ask them what they think of kings and such (you have to first ask to speak to them privately), or what they say when you defeat and capture them. The Mount and Blade wiki[mountandblade.wikia.com] has a good guide on what different lords say.

When you defeat an enemy lord in battle and capture them, an upstanding lord will ask to be granted the honors of war, good-natured lords will congratulate you on your victory, martial and calculating lords will yield to you, pitiless lords will say that they curse this day, quarrelsome lords will tell you to call back your dogs, and debauched lords will say, "Enough of this! You win today! Ach, the shame of it!". I figured I might as well say here what the different types of lords would say when they're defeated since the wiki doesn't mention it.

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by Morkonan:

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

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- I only give castles and cities to cunning and martial lords, the rest make do with villages..

Why not give the more important fiefs to Good Natured Lords, who will not take negative relationship hits when other Lords receive fiefs?

(Curious as to your management strategy, here.)

Oh, I'd be happy to do so, but at that point, it is extremely unlikely that I would have any good-natured or benevolent lords. They do not betray their kings, as a rule, and only come around once their factions have been defeated.

Also, benevolent lords require no management, because they absolutely love a honorable character. So I would give them fortified fiefs if I want to increase their army capacity and income, or the lords think that they should receive some, but I would rather use extra fiefs to improve my relation with cunning and martial lords, because they need more loving.

Originally posted by cqqks:

How do you "guess" which nobles are good natured and not going to lose attitude?

You should not have to guess. When you first meet them, lords greet you in a different manner depending on their personality, they react in a different manner when you have helped their compatriots, they have different philosophies when you ask what they think about kings.

What Phoenix said above is extremely important, because you can use it to decide whether to let them go, or keep them for ransom. If someone is going to hate me extra for letting him go, and insult me in the process, I may choose to ransom him instead.

You can also tell good-natured and benevolent lords if you are going out of your way by being honorable, because their relationsjip to you is going stupidly high until it gets stuck at 100.