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ironliondoor Nov 22, 2014 @ 8:25pm
Marshall and besieging questions
So throughout my experience of being a marshall, every single damned castle I've sucessfully besieged always gets turned over within a couple of days because none of the lords will listen and stay to defend the newly taken castles/towns.

So heres my question, how the hell can I prevent the castles that I've recently just taken over to be taken over by another faction in a matter of days? They are always left with a total of 0 men and other lords just take them over without a single problem.

I usually have an army ranging from 40-70 men and I don't have much men to leave to defend in the garrisons. Any tips would be nice as well.

*unrelated question: How do I decrease the controversy I have?

Thanks
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Morkonan Nov 22, 2014 @ 8:34pm 
Your army is too small. Build up your Renown, Charisma and Leadership as well as your level.

Being "Marshall" seems like it would be the thing you'd really want to do, right? Well, unfortunately, no, you don't want to be "Marshall." :) It's a thankless position. While you're out there, trying to be the Marshall, every single attack against every village in your King's empire is going to be considered "your fault." That's right, you take the "Controversy" hits for all of those attacks and you will rack up quite a bit of controversy.

IRRC, Controversy fades over time. There are some posts on the Taleworld's sites and in the Wiki for the game that discuss Controversy. Take a look at those. It's not a huge deal, it only presents a few problems that are, at best, temporary.

In order to protect those newly won castles, you're going to have to take it upon yourself to see them properly defended until the King assigns them to a Lord and he can worry about it. That is your lot in life as a Marshall. It's another reason why being a Marshall is a thankless job...

Wait until peace and then ask to be relieved of your title. You'll take a slight faction hit, but don't worry about it. Let some other poor sop take up the mantle of Marshall and then watch their Controversy skyrocket as the empire is thrust into war.

In order to be an effective force, you're going to have to be able to field 100+ units in your army, alone. So, work on that. Try to gain a castle for yourself and several villages, each will raise your army limits. Also, work hard on leveling your troops - More experienced troops are the key to vicoty as numbers do not always mean everything. (But, having more units than your enemy never hurts. :) )

Lastly - There is a guide out there for how to be an effective Marshall in Warband. Google for it and it will explain a lot of this for you.
fishhooks Nov 22, 2014 @ 8:46pm 
Dude...if you're the Marshal, then just tell one of the following armies to stay with the fief....easy. Stick around a day or two to crush any armies that try to retake it, then order another noble to "Go To...w/e". They'll stay in the fief for a couple of days, then try to rejoin you. You can then order another noble to garrison the fief, if it hasn't been awarded to someone by then.
as fishooks says and play floris,problem solved,youll see
ironliondoor Nov 22, 2014 @ 8:51pm 
Well that's sort of disappointing to hear... We did lose quite a lot and we were at war with 3 factions while I was marshall. Really racked up controversy during that time.

I'll keep in mind to build a larger army now, but everytime I've gotten an army of 90+ my troops being to desert, how do I avoid that?

I've also got quite a low income, with only 2 fiefs and a castle, which is really really far apart from eachother...
I was always thinking of getting a close group of fiefs on one side of the map but my town 'Praven' keeps getting taken over (it's on the border of Rhodoks and Nords), and surprisingly currently the Sarranid that is on the other side of the freaking map decided to take over my town. (I am a vassal of the Rhodoks by the way). So anyways, would it be a good idea to have a group of fiefs around 'Praven' (as soon as I get it back...) so I can have it well maintained rather than a scatter?

I guess I'll just stay away from the title of marshall for quite some time from now on... Thanks a bunch for the tips and info :crate:
ironliondoor Nov 22, 2014 @ 8:52pm 
Originally posted by fishhooks:
Dude...if you're the Marshal, then just tell one of the following armies to stay with the fief....easy. Stick around a day or two to crush any armies that try to retake it, then order another noble to "Go To...w/e". They'll stay in the fief for a couple of days, then try to rejoin you. You can then order another noble to garrison the fief, if it hasn't been awarded to someone by then.

I actually do that but never seems to work... a couple of days later the fief is taken over again and turns out the lord has jsut completely abandoned it...
Tip:if you send a vassal that used to be part of the facttions castle/town to it they will get accellerated reinforcement and better troops,improves relations with said lord to
he doesnt stay to long if not one of these types
Last edited by the smoking mค็็็็็n; Nov 22, 2014 @ 8:56pm
The best thing about being a marshall is it gets you closer to rebellion. Otherwise, it's nothing but a slave trap as written above.
Not to mention a castle freshly taken and left undefended is the best bait in the game, and so easily retaken that it's almost indecent...
Apart from that, I believe if you don't ask the castle for yourself, it automatically receives some defense troops out of nowhere.
Last edited by ForevaNoob Wonemorturn; Nov 23, 2014 @ 12:35am
Look for MBW party in the Wiki how to grow your army. Or play, instead...
Reno Story Nov 23, 2014 @ 9:31am 
I might be late to the party, but I'll throw in my 2 cents.

As much as it sucks, you are going to have to grin and bear it, giving up your men so that the castle has at least a small guard to keep watch over it. It is normally why I grind so hard, building up as many troops as I can and storing them away until a war starts, so I have plenty of men to resupply myself with after a siege.

If there are prisoners in a castle, take advantage of them and gather the best ones you can fit in your army. It really softens the blow on your personal army if you can fit some in, although take note, with every lord in your army, he will take prisoners too, meaning you will get less to pick from.

Really, in my experience, I prefered to solo sieges myself, because having 100 well trained men is much better than relying on your allies poorly trained farmers to take a castle. hell, most of the lords don't even make it off the ladder most of the time, which is a shameful display.

If you don't have a castle or town, aim to take on and as soon as you get some free time, start stocking up on rank 3-4 units until the next war starts. You won't feel as burdened then, and will be able to dish out decent guard units within your captures.
Morkonan Nov 23, 2014 @ 11:38pm 
Originally posted by ironliondoor:
...I'll keep in mind to build a larger army now, but everytime I've gotten an army of 90+ my troops being to desert, how do I avoid that?

Make sure you have high leadership, high charisma and keep plenty of different sorts of food in your inventory.

Also, when you mix troops of different factions and you go to war with the faction from which some of your troops come from, they will be unhappy. But, this is only true when they are with you in the field. To solve this, place troublesome troops in garrisons in your town/castle while you are at war with their home faction. Once their home faction is defeated or there is a truce, they will no longer be unhappy. For this reason, players often try to defeat the Nords, Rhodocks or Swadia in order to gain unfettered access to their top-tier units. (Infantry, Archer, Cavalry, respectfully.)

As your army size increases, so does its "cohesion" decrease and discontent rises. The only way to combat this is to have high Leadership, Charisma, plenty of food, perhaps even high Renown, and to win victories. When you need a morale boost, find someone to pick on in order to take your troop's mind off their troubles.

I've also got quite a low income, with only 2 fiefs and a castle, which is really really far apart from eachother...

I am not sure if it is true in vanilla play, but in mods containing the Diplomacy mod/others, you can trade fiefs with other Lords. So, you could trade one of your far-flung fiefs with a Lord who owns one closer to your center of power. To check to see if this is availalbe in vanilla play, just talk to a Lord in your faction and see if the dialogue choice is available. (ie: Find a Lord that owns a fief close to your center of power and trade one of your remote fiefs for it. You may have to do some missions for him in order to get him to like you enough to do that. I am not sure this feature exists in vanilla play, sorry.)


I was always thinking of getting a close group of fiefs on one side of the map but my town 'Praven' keeps getting taken over (it's on the border of Rhodoks and Nords), and surprisingly currently the Sarranid that is on the other side of the freaking map decided to take over my town. (I am a vassal of the Rhodoks by the way). So anyways, would it be a good idea to have a group of fiefs around 'Praven' (as soon as I get it back...) so I can have it well maintained rather than a scatter?

Absolutely. However, the only way you could assure that is to be able to trade fiefs with other Lords, unless you want to rebel and take them over, yourself.

I guess I'll just stay away from the title of marshall for quite some time from now on... Thanks a bunch for the tips and info :crate:

Be sure to do that. :) Being Marshall can be fun, but only if your Faction is very strong and can police its own borders and villages and protect them from roving bands of enemies. If you can't protect these villages by order Lords to "Patrol Around" them, you'll end up gaining quite a bit of Controversy through no real fault of your own. That isn't always a terrible thing, but it can be bothersome.

Good luck!
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