Starting a rebellion w/in my own faction...

[fishhooks]

...is there a way to do it so I hang on to my existing fiefs? I'm with the Nords now, and I've tried approaching various Nobles who are devoted to me and asked them to "talk in private". Problem is, they're also devoted to King Ragnar, so I never get any options to ask them to support me.

I suppose I need to approach Nobles who don't have good relations with the King...problem with that is they also don't have much in the way of territory or armies. And since the Nords currently control 19 of the 22 cities in the game (two are mine), income from my enterpirses will pretty much go in the crapper, so I'd have to rely on my fiefs.

Hence, the reason I don't want to start a rebellion unless I can keep them some how. Any tips, thoughts or advice?

Thanks

[ForevaNoob Wonemorturn]

The royal way for becoming a rebel, and keeping everything, is giving up being the marshal, when a too high controversy forbides you to receive any fief. Before going for king, you'd better start with your companions support missions before, for that "right to rule" thingy. I never went on the king way by speaking with lords, only by rebelling. Don't forget it could be also very interesting to start your new rebel life as poor, except a 150 troops army and a few industires, as you were when you started MBW. Naked again, but with a new dream.
I don't think there is one way to rebel. Let the game show you yours.
Go with the flow... and react accordingly. Be yourself. MBW is more than good enough to allow that kind of freedom.
That's what gaming is all about.

[Quickhand69er]

The only way to keep your lands is... Take land and ask that it be given to you. At some point they will say no you have to many lands already. You then have the option of leaving your faction and takeing your lands with you.

You then start asking the faction lords to join you.

[fishhooks]

OK...that helps. I haven't been getting the option to rebel or attack anyone...nothing. Maybe 'cuz I've got too good a rep/relationship with the kingdom, the King, most Nobles, etc.

lol...it may almost be too late in this game to actually rebel. There are only about 30 settlements left (which probably translates into only about a dozen castles and cities...I know there are only 3 cities left that aren't Nordic already, and I don't think there are more than 9 castles left.) So even if I start taking them and asking for them all, by the time I build up enough animosity to actually start the rebellion, it's probably just gonna be little 'ol me against the crushing might of the entire Nord Empire.

Which could actually be a fun challenge, especially if I am able to consolidate my holdings a bit thru strategic trades of fiefs. I have ~60 RtR, so that shouldn't be a problem. So Controversy is built up by nagging the King for fiefs? Did I understand that right? 'Cuz right now, my Controversy is at zero (I been a good little vassal...lol).

I'm a female character, btw...what are the chances that my husband will automaticly join me if I'm at 100 relations with him?

[ForevaNoob Wonemorturn]

I haven't played female in Vanilla, only now in PoP, since POP considers a female like a human being, unlike Vanilla. I won't spoil anything but the both of you should meet again at some point... A man doesn't really have to be kept informed on anything... like in real life.
You'd get a lot of controversy from being marshal, responsible for any attack on any village, anything you couldn't prevent. Again, the best way to be in a position to rebel.
Now the question is: how to become a marshal. Just by being the best around I suppose.
I doesn't seem to be that complicated to put yourself in a rebelling situation...
Too much controversy, too many fiefs, asking to own any single fief you conquer...
Last time I rebelled, I was best friend to the king. And still I am, even at war. So friendship isn't the key.

[TROTON123]

I've always had trouble with the whole rebel from being denied a fief, it just gets given to another lord and never mentioned again. :L

[ForevaNoob Wonemorturn]

Originally posted by ThePKNess:

I've always had trouble with the whole rebel from being denied a fief, it just gets given to another lord and never mentioned again. :L

Same. Sometimes, the whole thing just go silent...

[one piece]

If you go to a claimant I think you can start a rebellion.

[fishhooks]

@ jml...yea, I wouldn't have thought it would be this hard either. (For the record, I AM correct in assuming a rebellion is different from simply being at war with my former faction, right? I mean, I figured out how to start a war by asking Ragnar to release me from my oath, then refusing to surrender my fiefs. I kept my fiefs, and am at war, but it's basically the same as if I just started my own faction..got the achievements that go with it, had to name it, etc.)

I thought there was a way to incite a rebellion WITHIN the faction, and just be rebels with me trying to replace Ragnar as King of the Nords, like I was another Claimant or something. Other nobles could join, with them retaining their lands as well. Maybe there isn't, BUT your instructions are pretty clear, so I just have to follow them. Build controversy, take land and ask for it, etc.

Thing is, I HAVE been Marshall for the past hundred days. Took Ragnar from 92 settlements to 149, and only asked for the ones I really wanted (trynig to concentrate my holdings), and now I don't know if there's enough left...only 3 cities and ~9 castles (and the 19 villages associated with them).

@ Nerevar...joining a Claimant DOES cause your new faction to be called "rebels" (i.e. like "Nordic Rebels" in this case) until you take over the faction.. But you don't get to keep the kingdom...the Claimant does, and you become a vassal again.

idk, maybe I'm looking for a scenario that doesn't exist. But I'll try out your step-by-step instructions and see what I can do with that. Because at this point, simply starting a war by refusing to surrender my turff, and with no powerful Nobles coming to my cause (just the outcasts joined me...and they came from other factions *lol*)...it's suicide. They immediatedly hit me with a 1500+ campaign force, and have been tearing my meager kingdom apart.

[Quickhand69er]

Talk to the King right after he gives it to someone else.

Originally posted by ThePKNess:

I've always had trouble with the whole rebel from being denied a fief, it just gets given to another lord and never mentioned again. :L

[ForevaNoob Wonemorturn]

Originally posted by Quickhand69er:

Talk to the King right after he gives it to someone else.

Does that really do something? On my to-do list then...

[fishhooks]

Yea, mine too. I'm going to experiment a little with this new info, and see what I can do. For now, I think I'll just go ahead and help Nords take everything...there's an achievement for that, so it must be a "legitimate" way to finish the game ; )

But from what I've read so far, starting a rebellion involves high levels of controversy, which I can increase by taking lands as Marshall and always nagging Ragnar about ginving them to me.

Any other ways to increase it? "Cuz I'm at zero now, got something like 50 friends and no enemies, Been a reall honourable do-gooder all game.

[Baba Yusuf]

Originally posted by fishhooks:

Yea, mine too. I'm going to experiment a little with this new info, and see what I can do. For now, I think I'll just go ahead and help Nords take everything...there's an achievement for that, so it must be a "legitimate" way to finish the game ; )

But from what I've read so far, starting a rebellion involves high levels of controversy, which I can increase by taking lands as Marshall and always nagging Ragnar about ginving them to me.

Any other ways to increase it? "Cuz I'm at zero now, got something like 50 friends and no enemies, Been a reall honorable do-gooder all game.

My friend once told me that if you talk to you wife and her brother or father and talk to a couple different lords about it you can get them to rebel with you and it doesnt matter if you have lots of weak generals if you have lots of them that will make a good fighting force and also if you haven't realized that when nords capture a city or a castle they hardly leave 200 soldiers for the garrison so if you capture a couple of forts and city before they make a huge military campaign generals on king ragnars side will lose moral and say king ragnar doesn't know how to lead a kingdom and so they will join your side and once that happens a lot of villages, towns and castles will be yours and like that you can defeat him