Khergit Lancers or Sarranid Mamlukes

[Empire_TW]

which one is better

[White, the Loiterer]

Sarranid Mamlukes all the way. Sarranid Mamlukes to Khergit lancers is like Godzilla to the military.

[Sentient_Toaster]

Power per person goes to the Mamlukes, but they're also significantly more expensive.

[Taco]

best answer: a mix

Lancers do more inital damage, but mamalukes can tank.

If you want good units, go Swadian Knight, If you want cheap and mediocre go Nord. Everything else is supplementary.

[Ape-tier Buffoonery]

You guys are comparing two different tiers to be honest.
Lancers are more comparable to Sarranid Horsemen, costs a bit more but for the armour and skills is worth it. Also if in a pinch you will upgrade to Lancers before you upgrade to Mamlukes, with high training you'll start getting Lancers by night 3 vs Mamlukes night 4 due to the extra tier it has to progress through.

Obviously if you're looking towards the future, sticking with Sarranid Horsemen -> Mamlukes will pay off as they are the overall better unit in pretty much every way, except costing more.

[Phoenix VII]

On the field, Mamlukes generally carry heavy lances as primary weapons and maces as secondaries which makes them effective against armored units and lets you take prisoners (though some carry cavalry swords and elite scimitars which are also good but won't let you take prisoners), and their stats are also higher. Khergit Lancers can carry either a heavy lance, regular lance, or hafted blade as a primary weapon (and the hafted blade isn't a good weapon on horseback), while their secondary weapon is either a one-handed battle axe, a spiked mace, or heavy sabre. From what I've seen, Khergit Lancers also often don't seem to know when to switch to their secondary weapons (at least when they spawn with hafted blades which are common) while Mamlukes do. As a result, Mamlukes are far more effective on the field and doubly so in a siege.

Basically Khergit Lancers are the weakest top-tier heavy cavalry unit and their only advantage is that you can train them faster since they're a Tier 4 unit while Mamlukes and Swadian/Vaegir Knights are Tier 5.

[|AyyLmao|]

Lancers also use ♥♥♥♥ horses, a lot of them use courser (which gives them a unnecessary speed boost since lance charge is already 1 hit kill). Mamlukes use sarranian war horses (epic armor) or sometimes sarranid horses (which is better than courser imo).

[one piece]

swadian cavalry is the only way

[Killroy]

1. Mamulukes
2. Kegit Lancers/Swadian
3. Vaegir

Mamulukes Hit hard, and live long, however they take long to get too; and when they die, it hurts you.
Kegit and swadians have equal good cav (Kegit is more anoying due to range weapons), however in foot fights swadians have the upper hand. Also Kegit tend to faster, and the horses tend to be short lived.
Veagir are a mix of Lancers and Swadian Knights, armor of Lancers, Weapons of Knights, and a mix of fast and armored horses. Thus they are good over all, thus weak in one way compaired to others.This is my exsperience from 2000+ hours.

[Init]

early/mid game kergit lancers are fine and quick to replace where as the mamulukes are harder to train and thus harder replace. kergits are a hord and about throwing mass amounts of troops at hte enemy. you could have the kergit lancers in there own group and since they are fast and mobile have them charge and then move them back to a spot and then flank and charge again. kergits are skirmishers and use gorilla like tactics.

[↯Zindy⛦]

just git gud

[one piece]

Originally posted by Killroy:

1. Mamulukes
2. Kegit Lancers/Swadian
3. Vaegir

Mamulukes Hit hard, and live long, however they take long to get too; and when they die, it hurts you.
Kegit and swadians have equal good cav (Kegit is more anoying due to range weapons), however in foot fights swadians have the upper hand. Also Kegit tend to faster, and the horses tend to be short lived.
Veagir are a mix of Lancers and Swadian Knights, armor of Lancers, Weapons of Knights, and a mix of fast and armored horses. Thus they are good over all, thus weak in one way compaired to others.This is my exsperience from 2000+ hours.

scuse me. swadian knights can beat swadian malmukes in a fight any time.

[|AyyLmao|]

Originally posted by Killroy:

swadian malmukes

[Ape-tier Buffoonery]

Originally posted by DangeR:

Originally posted by Killroy:

swadian malmukes

Lol Must be as elusive as those Khergit Huscarls.

But seriously, the Knight vs Mamluke debate is as old as Warband:
Better armour vs more hp
Better weapons vs ability to take prisoners
Always has decent horse vs tiny bit less cost and better shield

I'd have to dig it up on the Talesworld forums but I'm pretty sure someone ran a bunch of custom battles between Knights and Mamlukes and the knights won. Not saying Mamluke is in any way worse per say, it's got versatility and utility on it's side. Just that a direct comparison between the two is a bit unfair. They both do their jobs just as well, Swadian Knights do it a little better, while Mamlukes can do other jobs Swadians could never.

[Killroy]

Originally posted by DangeR:

Originally posted by Killroy:

swadian malmukes

Originally posted by Nerevar's Butler's Brother:

Originally posted by Killroy:

1. Mamulukes
2. Kegit Lancers/Swadian
3. Vaegir

Mamulukes Hit hard, and live long, however they take long to get too; and when they die, it hurts you.
Kegit and swadians have equal good cav (Kegit is more anoying due to range weapons), however in foot fights swadians have the upper hand. Also Kegit tend to faster, and the horses tend to be short lived.
Veagir are a mix of Lancers and Swadian Knights, armor of Lancers, Weapons of Knights, and a mix of fast and armored horses. Thus they are good over all, thus weak in one way compaired to others.This is my exsperience from 2000+ hours.

scuse me. swadian knights can beat swadian malmukes in a fight any time.

I never said that trolls.

[Killroy]

Originally posted by Hebrew Jebrew:

Originally posted by DangeR:

Lol Must be as elusive as those Khergit Huscarls.

But seriously, the Knight vs Mamluke debate is as old as Warband:
Better armour vs more hp
Better weapons vs ability to take prisoners
Always has decent horse vs tiny bit less cost and better shield

I'd have to dig it up on the Talesworld forums but I'm pretty sure someone ran a bunch of custom battles between Knights and Mamlukes and the knights won. Not saying Mamluke is in any way worse per say, it's got versatility and utility on it's side. Just that a direct comparison between the two is a bit unfair. They both do their jobs just as well, Swadian Knights do it a little better, while Mamlukes can do other jobs Swadians could never.

Did you remeber to turn difficulty all the way up ?

Mamlukes tend to when in a 1v1 against Swadian Knights.

And I never refered to Mamlukes as being swadian.