Native Expansion: Black Knight Invasion

[Raven Frostborn]

Hey everybody, I've been playing the Native Expansion mod and I'm having some trouble. I'm currently a powerful vassal of the Jarldom of Nords, holding two towns (Curaw and Praven) as well as the village Jayek. I just got a message about the impending invasion, and within one day my village is being raided. I went there immediately (Jayek is the richest and most prosperous village in Calradia), and found 1500 black knights assembled outside of my village. 1500! I figured I could handle it, seeing as I had almost 200 top tier troops, with several other Nordic lords within battle range. (120 Nord Merkismather, 60 Rhodok Sharpshooters, and 5 companions. My companions have the best armor/weapons in the game and one of them had maxed out medic skills. Then I get ROFL stomped. Horribly. For every one of them we killed, we lost ten. A complete massacre. Does anyone know how to win such a battle? It seems like it'll be impossible. We Nords are the strongest faction in the game, holding almost 50% of the map, but against these ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ we can't possibly hope to win. Any help would be greatly appreciated!

[BOYCOTT S-T-E-A-M!]

They are meant to hit you like a ton of bricks right off the bat and be damn near unstoppable. Generally, you have to give ground. Let them take territory and thin themselves out a bit. As they become a bit more diluted and split into smaller groups they become easier to take on.

Taking on the initial invasion force head on is pretty much a death sentence. Kudos to you for giving it a shot and doing as well as you did though.

[Raven Frostborn]

Originally posted by BOYCOTT S-T-E-A-M!:

They are meant to hit you like a ton of bricks right off the bat and be damn near unstoppable. Generally, you have to give ground. Let them take territory and thin themselves out a bit. As they become a bit more diluted and split into smaller groups they become easier to take on.

Taking on the initial invasion force head on is pretty much a death sentence. Kudos to you for giving it a shot and doing as well as you did though.

Oh okay! I foolishly assumed I could beat them. I'll try to hold my towns if I can, but I guess you're right. Lose ground if I have to, but make sure their divided. Thanks for the advice! Thanks for the kudos as well!

[BOYCOTT S-T-E-A-M!]

No problem.

The native expansion was intended to give people more of the same game they already love.

The concept of the black knights was essentially an "end game" content intended to give game crushing veterans a swift kick to the groins. I'm pretty sure you can even disable them entirely if you wanted to.

Its entirely possible to beat them, extremely unlikely to be to able to beat their initial invasion force though. As they take land they'll get lords and divde their armies up some. Its possible to get black knight troops of your own by rescuing those imprisoned by others or defeating and capturing some yourself and then recruiting them.

Either way have fun and remember... there isn't really a way to lose in Mount and Blade so don't be too afraid to take risks. The worse that can happen to you is you'll end up naked and alone but still be substantially more powerful than a new character. Won't even take you long to rebuild to your former glory either and sometimes a crushing defeat story is just as fun to tell and hear as a tale of glorious victory.

[one piece]

Use cavalry.

[Raven Frostborn]

Originally posted by BOYCOTT S-T-E-A-M!:

No problem.

The native expansion was intended to give people more of the same game they already love.

The concept of the black knights was essentially an "end game" content intended to give game crushing veterans a swift kick to the groins. I'm pretty sure you can even disable them entirely if you wanted to.

Its entirely possible to beat them, extremely unlikely to be to able to beat their initial invasion force though. As they take land they'll get lords and divde their armies up some. Its possible to get black knight troops of your own by rescuing those imprisoned by others or defeating and capturing some yourself and then recruiting them.

Either way have fun and remember... there isn't really a way to lose in Mount and Blade so don't be too afraid to take risks. The worse that can happen to you is you'll end up naked and alone but still be substantially more powerful than a new character. Won't even take you long to rebuild to your former glory either and sometimes a crushing defeat story is just as fun to tell and hear as a tale of glorious victory.

I knew they were an end game enemy, I just didn't expect them so early! lol

Originally posted by Nerevar's Butler's Brother:

Use cavalry.

I've got limited options for cavalry because of my faction choice. I can only get really mediocre light cavalry right now. Although the cav that the mod adds for the Nords is great. I guess I'll be training a lot of people lol.

[Mercer]

This may be a little late, but I'd suggest Lady Knights for cavalry. They are essentially sword sisters on steroids. They have about the same armor, but with much better stats and weapons, as well as warhorses.

[Raven Frostborn]

Well my friends, I finally beat them. They took two of my castles, Curaw, and razed my perfect village of Jayek, but we Nords fought them off. They took half our land, but as soon as there wasn't 1500 Black Knights they fell fast. I now own Jayek, Ismirala Castle, Curaw, Wercheg, and Praven. I'm also the marshal of the Jarldom. Now that the Knights are gone, we're finishing off the remnants of the Vaegirs before we push into Swadia. Thanks for the help everyone!

[BOYCOTT S-T-E-A-M!]

Originally posted by Duskwalker68:

Well my friends, I finally beat them. They took two of my castles, Curaw, and razed my perfect village of Jayek, but we Nords fought them off. They took half our land, but as soon as there wasn't 1500 Black Knights they fell fast. I now own Jayek, Ismirala Castle, Curaw, Wercheg, and Praven. I'm also the marshal of the Jarldom. Now that the Knights are gone, we're finishing off the remnants of the Vaegirs before we push into Swadia. Thanks for the help everyone!

I'm happy to hear you succeeded, though being a Rhodok at heart I find the spread of the Nords to be a bit insulting. Good luck to ya none the less though.

[Sarkin]

if you wanna be 'cheap' i haven't done or played the black knights thign till this post didn't know they were a thing but... you could set it down to a max battle size of like 2 or 3 and kill them yourself it'd take forever with 1,500 but a potential solution.

[Paul Allen]

Originally posted by Duskwalker68:

Well my friends, I finally beat them. They took two of my castles, Curaw, and razed my perfect village of Jayek, but we Nords fought them off. They took half our land, but as soon as there wasn't 1500 Black Knights they fell fast. I now own Jayek, Ismirala Castle, Curaw, Wercheg, and Praven. I'm also the marshal of the Jarldom. Now that the Knights are gone, we're finishing off the remnants of the Vaegirs before we push into Swadia. Thanks for the help everyone!

Just out of interest how many in-game days did it take for the invasion to start, because i'm actually patiently waiting in my game for it to happen (im hoping to join them)

p.s the vaegirs will strike back, just you watch, our archers can decimate any army.

[jayflackoz]

Your typical Swadian here, breaking into the conversation. KING HARLAUS MUST FALL. starts with chide, sieges four castles gets one>

[Raven Frostborn]

Originally posted by Jeremy Kyle:

Originally posted by Duskwalker68:

Well my friends, I finally beat them. They took two of my castles, Curaw, and razed my perfect village of Jayek, but we Nords fought them off. They took half our land, but as soon as there wasn't 1500 Black Knights they fell fast. I now own Jayek, Ismirala Castle, Curaw, Wercheg, and Praven. I'm also the marshal of the Jarldom. Now that the Knights are gone, we're finishing off the remnants of the Vaegirs before we push into Swadia. Thanks for the help everyone!

Just out of interest how many in-game days did it take for the invasion to start, because i'm actually patiently waiting in my game for it to happen (im hoping to join them)

p.s the vaegirs will strike back, just you watch, our archers can decimate any army.

It's been awhile so I'm not certain, but I think it was around day 200 or so. Although it might be random. Oh almost forgot, I don't think you can recruit the Black Knight units when you join them, unless you free them from prison etc.

Originally posted by santos.jacob415:

Your typical Swadian here, breaking into the conversation. KING HARLAUS MUST FALL. starts with chide, sieges four castles gets one>

Fat Harlaus must die!