bow and arrow

[suilles]

why is it that if you got like nothing of levels for mellee fighting yet you can deal good damage but as archer you got no aim or damage even when you been on a level that you would one hit people with mellee? how can you get good skills in it if your aim is fully ♥♥♥♥ and damage...

archers got the problem of only 30 arrows and dont get a chance to win vs lords because ♥♥♥♥ aim/damage while a mellee fighter can go up vs lords at like level 20 (big army battles)

earlier i shot a arrow and it hit the ground like 1 meter or 2 away of where i aimed... even if you go to training ground then with that aim how could you hit the targets to get exp in it...

the old mount and blade was fine for archers but this one is just pretty ♥♥♥♥ untill you get to high levels.

[Julius Geezer]

Que??

[Tuidjy]

Because I can train anyone to handle a sword OK in about two weeks, and because it took me about three years from having never touched a real sword to winning a baronship at Pennsic.

On the other hand, becoming a master archer is a life long task, and one that most human males will never achieve, simply because their bodies are not up to it. I have been practicing since the early 2000s, and I can barely handle a 65 pound bow with any accuracy. I'm over fifty, so I won't be getting any better. But both English long bows and Mongol composites needed to be over 80 pounds to be considered worthy of a warrior, and the most we've found were over 100. We have found some that were around 140.

So the game is being very realistic. You can become accurate with a hunting bow very early, but you will not be able to handle a real war bow until the high levels. It takes a level 35+ character to be a great horse archer... but once you are, you can face dozens of enemies and slaughter them without a scratch.

Basically, despite what the аssноles from Hollywood and the mainstream gaming industry want you to believe, the bow is not a weapon for cute 90 pound girls, and the sword is not a weapon for hulking 250 pound lummoxes, You need incredible strength to be accurate with a bow capable to punch through armor, and a lot more training that the one needed to be able to do your job in the shield wall.

[suilles]

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

Because I can train anyone to handle a sword OK in about two weeks, and because it took me about three years from having never touched a real sword to winning a baronship at Pennsic.

On the other hand, becoming a master archer is a life long task, and one that most human males will never achieve, simply because their bodies are not up to it. I have been practicing since the early 2000s, and I can barely handle a 65 pound bow with any accuracy. I'm over fifty, so I won't be getting any better. But both English long bows and Mongol composites needed to be over 80 pounds to be considered worthy of a warrior, and the most we've found were over 100. We have found some that were around 140.

So the game is being very realistic. You can become accurate with a hunting bow very early, but you will not be able to handle a real war bow until the high levels. It takes a level 35+ character to be a great horse archer... but once you are, you can face dozens of enemies and slaughter them without a scratch.

Basically, despite what the аssноles from Hollywood and the mainstream gaming industry want you to believe, the bow is not a weapon for cute 90 pound girls, and the sword is not a weapon for hulking 250 pound lummoxes, You need incredible strength to be accurate with a bow capable to punch through armor, and a lot more training that the one needed to be able to do your job in the shield wall.

yeah i know anyone can swing a sword but takes skill to use a bow good but the fact is if you shoot someone with a bow in the head they be dead but the damage is ♥♥♥♥ too.
if the damage was good then i be like ok ♥♥♥♥ aim i understand at early levels but ♥♥♥♥ damage and ♥♥♥♥ aim then its sorta pointless to even play with a bow untill you got high level but fact is that then you gonna need to level as sword fighter first so you could get exp to level up your bow skills so mostly you dont play with a bow untill you are already very very strong.

the fact is if you do hit someone with the arrow and its stuck in them they wont be fighting much aswell while in the game they act like nothing happened.
i understand it gotta be real as much as it can be but its still a game...

as a game its abit unfair for archers.

with a moring star is can hit them on foot for about 38-40 damage on normal armor around level 20.
with a bow i cant defend myself if they get close and the aim is pretty ♥♥♥♥ and damage is ♥♥♥♥ too while i be like level 30.

by the time you get to the levels of 40-45 you get bored of playing with a sword but it already takes a very long time to get the level of 40 without cheating ofcoure.
i just feel they overdone it with the aim and damage for bows around level 25.

[Tuidjy]

Which mod are you playing? In most mods, at level 10, a well built archer has Power Draw 6, and can take down, with a single head shot anyone not wearing a heavy metal helmet. I'm going to roll a new character RIGHT NOW, and see how much damage a level 1 horse archer does on unarmored enemies.

By the way, with a sнiтту 20 pound bow, and a broad-head arrow, you will NOT go through a human skull unless you hit the temple. And in real life, some people have survived metal rods through the head, rare as it may be.

Remember, if a power draw 8 masterwork war bow is the 140 pounder, a power draw one bow is a twenty pounder, which in most countries is below what you are legally allowed to use for hunting. There is a reason there are minimum pulls and arrow weights in place - weak bows injure animals without killing them.

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Ok, I just did this. I started a new character, picked the archer options, and ended up with a guy with power draw 4 and archery 100. I sold my furs, and purchased a better bow, then attacked some looters. Headshots were a garanteed kill. Here is a screenshot[i.imgur.com] - level 1 character, full difficulty, first encounter.

By the way, I do have the video of creating the character, and then all the way to the first two shots (both headshots, for similar damage as in the screenshot)

I'd say it's pretty realistic. Sure, it will not work this well against helmets, but neither would it in real life.

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And finally, at level 9, a dedicated archer will have strength 20, power draw 6 and archery 200. With a basic war bow and bodkin arrows, this is (25+3) x 1.84 x 1.15 + 4, or about 60 for a body shot. Headshots will kill anyone short of a knight or a heavy footslogger..

[KalkiKrosah]

There are two factors that go into how accurate your shots are as an archer: weapon mastery and power draw. And if you only use a hunting bow power draw doesn't even get factored into accuracy.

Weapon mastery is simple enough to improve. Just use the bow. Generally how I use a bow on a character who is not an archer is I fire into a mass group of enemies. I just shoot in their general direction and hope it hits. It usually does and will increase your mastery 2 or 3 points with that one shot if your skill is low enough. But there is a better way.

Early on when you start your journey alone just go fight looters parties on your own. They don't have shields so once they are done throwing rocks at you, just start kiting them. Kiting is you taking shots at them until they get close then run a little bit away, stop and shoot at them until they get close then run away some more. Their lack of shields means less wasted arrows. And their lack of throwing weapons or bows of their own means you can allow them to get close enough that you will not miss. On a new character this is what I generally do for a nice pick me up.

Power draw comes into play when you graduate to using stronger bows. Now just because you can use a war bow because you just got power draw 4 unlocked doesn't mean you should use it. If your power draw just meets the strength requirement to use a bow you can use it but there is an accuracy penalty that comes with using that bow. That accuracy penalty won't go away until you get your power draw a full 2 levels over the requirement to use that bow. So you will not be able to use war bows accurately until you reach power draw level 6.

And since the topic of horse archers has been brought up I might as well talk about horse archery stats. Horse archery gets to be pointless beyond a certain point. I generally won't raise it past 4 but if you want to completely remove the horseback penalty then level 5 is what you want. That removes about 90% or 95% of the aim penalty so you can get higher ranks if you want pinpoint accuracy but if you ask me it would be wiser to put points elsewhere.