Questions about vaegir, strat?

[Rintaro]

Is it best to mass one unit with this faction, or do a little bit of everything? I was thinking of getting a lot of marksmen, and go knights, but I'm not really sure.

[Tuidjy]

Vaegirs are glass cannons. Marksmen defended by knights can work, but you need to position them meticulously and micromanage them.

They are a great faction, but it takes a veteran player to really make them shine.

Here is a recent discussion on the very topic of Vaegir strategy.

[Rabbit CoCo]

If you start from the Vaegir, the first headach thing will be those sea raider.
You need to increase your army speed an recruit men ASAP in order to keep you head on your shoulder. There are some good trading routes, I assume you should know it.

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

Marksmen defended by knights can work

Originally posted by Wolfpyrion:

I was thinking of getting a lot of marksmen, and go knights, but I'm not really sure.

Marksmen is too weak by themself, I suggest 70%-100% knights the rest marksmen.
It because you have to face those sea raider, they're strong.

Swadia will be a more safe and easy start. you can still join any faction you like, you can still go to kill sea raders.

[Tuidjy]

If you are hunting sea raiders, ranged units need absolutely no backup.

Line them up, have them hold fire, and ride forward on your own. Hide behind your shield, make the sea raiders spend their javelins, outride their arrows (ride in a counter-clockwise circle around them, shield towards the projectiles. as fast as you can) Some will focus on you, others will beeline for your ranged units. Split the two groups apart, so you can harass the ones charging without being hit by the ones targeting you. Then bump&slash the former to get their attention.

Once all sea raiders have focused on you, lead them close to the ranged units, turn them around, and have your men open fire.

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by !D|07-$y573M#38794:

never mass all marksmen
r3t@rded idea they burst their arrows like in one second

Never is a strong word.

You can mass all ranged troops if you think they can kill the enemy before running dry, as in:
1) your companions and your player character are strong enough to keep the enemy off
2) you know you will be outnumbering the enemy, and that he has little cavalry.
3) you are training garrisons, and care more about channeling experience than about casualties.
4) the enemies you're fighting are particularly vulnerable to archers.
5) you can retreat from combat rounds without negative consequences.

In my 187 days speed run, I mostly fielded companions and marksmen. Yes, I sometimes fielded knights, and yes, sometimes the marksmen lost a lot of men to cavalry when my planning didn't turn out so well, and I was unable to divert the charge.

Still worked better, fискups and all, than any alternative I can think of.

[ÄmJii]

Massing up marksman works, as Tuidjy listed above, long as you manage their firing: Hold fire until infantry is about 20-30 secs away from your archers, then fire at will and watch as infantry turns into pincushions.
Rhodoks can prove troublesome because of their durable shields and devastatingly accurate crossbowmen and Nord huscarls can close the distance surprisingly fast, but Swadians and Sarranids should be fairly easy prey (unless they mass up on cavalry).

[Rabbit CoCo]

Should we give suggestions according to a player's experience?
If a new players give up this good game, because of being defeated occasionally
it's sad.
As I know ""Wolfpyrion"" is not an experience player, should we give a more safe-play suggestion for him?

100% marksman works for some very experience players, I've no doubt.

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

Line them up, have them hold fire, and ride forward on your own. Hide behind your shield, make the sea raiders spend their javelins, outride their arrows .....
Once all sea raiders have focused on you, lead them close to the ranged units, turn them around, and have your men open fire.

+1
It's a good tactic.
But for new player, I still believed that a safe-play suggestion is better.

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by !D|07-$y573M#38794:

i would rather be safe than sorry

You are right that Vaegirs are NOT a safe choice.

But personally, I'd rather work hard for a flawless win than easily win with a few casualties.

it's harder to outrun enemy parties
and if you want to be outnumbering the enemy most of the time you are going to have a large troops and you will be going a lot slower in the map
what if there are cavalry following you?
you can't outrun them and you probably would lose a few high tier marksmen

I do not even use mortal troops until I have my specialists leveled. With path-finding 10(+1), even a 120 marksman army moves at 7.0-8.0 speed. No one catches that.

[20d8yd]

[Elysion]

Vaegir are the faction that really needs using all three unit types. Because of this it can be kind of messed up if you arein a large fight where you only get a portion of your units to start with and you get bad ratios.

Marksmen should be placed in front, to lure the enemy, when the enemy charges them you must countercharge with your cavalry before they reach them then quickly send your infantry in.

Id avoid it unless you are using a higher than stock battle size

[DarkFaceGlow]

I always start a new game by freelancing for awhile. And I try to recruit solely Swadian(knights). They are beastly in the field. Also great map speed when you have all horse troops. Once I have a decent amount of them trained, then I join a faction. At this point I like better troops for sieges. Nords have decent foot soldiers. I’ll also try to train some Rod crossbows. I don’t get to technical other than that. Swadian Knights are my absolute favorites though. Have them charge in the field and it’s over before it starts. Even when you are way out-numbered. Of course we are not talking 10 against 30. I’m talking more like 100 against 300. I tweak my battle sizes. Damn, now I want to play...

[Rogat]

I've always liked a lot of marskmen supported by heavy spearmen and a few cavalry