Warband disapoint, damage weapon is too much, not fun

[XxEeNnXxEeIi]

I play more than thousand hour for mount&blade, they definitely get low damage for chain armor, but for warband there died so easy very easy, every time i swing my sword is one hit or two hit kill, but for old mount&blade oh dear god, my ♥♥♥♥♥♥ fake iron sword swing 0 - 2 damager per hit and i love it, but warband is not, there have any mod can change this damage to old mount&blade.

[MisterSpock]

ok

[NouH]

What about.... no?

[Windrider]

Go in the options and change the damage settings.

[Tuidjy]

If it is just damage against armor that bothers you, there are six numbers that control that. Mod them yourself.

[cactis]

Change the dmg of every weapon to 1 and have fun swinging 100 times to kill 1 recruit

[DarkRaven]

Originally posted by a cactus:

Change the dmg of every weapon to 1 and have fun swinging 100 times to kill 1 recruit

Well to be fair, a good sword would take more than two hits to kill a guy in good chainmail.
And if he was wearing good plate armor that sword guy would still be swinging.

[Twinkletoes]

Originally posted by XxEeNnXxEeIi:

I play more than thousand hour for mount&blade, they definitely get low damage for chain armor, but for warband there died so easy very easy, every time i swing my sword is one hit or two hit kill, but for old mount&blade oh dear god, my ♥♥♥♥♥♥ fake iron sword swing 0 - 2 damager per hit and i love it, but warband is not, there have any mod can change this damage to old mount&blade.

Try swinging a poor quality weapon at a heavy armor user and you get the same results.

Armor has been reworked but it is still plenty difficult, besides you can't couch lance spam in warband so even THAT makes this game harder.

[XxEeNnXxEeIi]

Lance spam on house make game real bad too, it should work only leather but chainmail is not, muzzle energy on house speed is not same when you thust the lance,i need to change damage multipiere how can i do

[XxEeNnXxEeIi]

Even katana sword cant penetrate plate armor in one hit, how the hell we swing fake iron sword to kill plate guy only in two hit?, No way impossible, even a hard leather not easy to use a spear to thust though, and you can thust though and instantly died? No way too

[NouH]

Originally posted by XxEeNnXxEeIi:

Even katana sword cant penetrate plate armor in one hit, how the hell we swing fake iron sword to kill plate guy only in two hit?, No way impossible, even a hard leather not easy to use a spear to thust though, and you can thust though and instantly died? No way too

This is a game, not a realism simulator, if you want these changes you will have to mod them yourself, also irl a katana will NEVER penetrate plate armor, it would probably break trying to do so, if you want realism in the game, forget the idea of SWORD vs PLATE ARMOR, a sword, don't matter the size, will never pierce a good quality plate armor, even a very strong man with a claymore could at best dent a plate armor, the only thing a swordsman could do was go for the gaps in the armor, but even that was hard.

That's why if you want some realism in your game, make all sword type of weapon do 0 damage to plate armor, and only morning stars and warhammers do any damage to it.

About the Lance + Horse combo, the Kinetic energy of a lance strike of a knight on an armored horse in full gallop is extremelly powerful, getting a GLANCING hit by a lance of a galloping knight had the same energy than a rifle shot at point-blank range. Getting a full-on good hit was two or three times as powerful! so it could easily pierce even plate armor, that's why you wouldn't see infantry with plate armor in the vanguard.

But since its just a game there's no point in discussing realism or logic, if you want to balance the game, do it yourself.

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by XxEeNnXxEeIi:

Even katana sword cant penetrate plate armor in one hit

I wish people would understand that the katana, as a sword design, is a pathetic joke of a weapon - a side arm that was never used as a primary weapon in war, a bureaucrat's badge of office, and a weapon has been beaten in the four documented duels to the death against an European saber.

As for Japanese swordmaking, it is a genius attempt to polish a turd. Genius, because it is nearly successful. Starting with horrible iron ore, after the careful allaying, multiple folding, after the merging of multiple parts to mix properties, the result is almost, but not quite as good, as a plain sword made of crucible steel.

This is not to say that Japanese did not have wonderful swords meant to be used in warfare. It's just that the katana came to be at about the time sword&bow (ken&yumi) became displaced by spear&musket (yari&teppo) which is also the time where swords were neutered by government decree.

And the cherry on top is that when the Japanese had to develop armor-defeating weapons (they were importing proofed crucible steel European breastplates) they went for mace. Check the kanabō .

how the hell we swing fake iron sword to kill plate guy only in two hit?,

With normal person stats in Warband, you will never kill a full plate wearing enemy in one hit. The ultimate infantry, Nord huscarls, have Power Strike 7 and proficiency 170. This a lot higher than what the average soldier can do, and nothing compared to a player with Power Strike 10 and proficiency 550.

But the latter is not some Game of Thrones hack slicing across a steel breastplate (and somehow killing the mook). It's a superhuman fighter driving the point of his sword above the placard, along the cuirass, around the besagew, under the pauldron, through the (weakest) chainmail and into the armpit. Such blows have been recorded when they killed a French king, a German elector count, etc. and I am sure that they happened off record. Sure, it is a 1 in a 1000 strike, and sure, a maxed out player pulls it out two times out of three, but that's what the above stats are - superhuman.

As for the multiple hits, they are not necessarily cuts getting through (that does not happen). They are the kinetic energy of a kilo or more of metal swung at respectable speeds that ends up messing up the squishy bits inside the steel shell.

No way impossible, even a hard leather not easy to use a spear to thust though, and you can thust though and instantly died? No way too

Are we talking about couching?

The energy of a horse charging at 30km/h with a knight secured in his saddle is an order of magnitude higher than that of a .50 sniper bullet. The working area of that square lance tip is not much bigger than the bullet's section. Envelope level calculations show 4 times the N/mm² (think pound per square inch in Imperial) in favor of the lance.

Plenty of Gothic plate wearing people have been killed by blunt lances in the Renaissance, when they got hit head on during a tournament. That armor was not even made to be worn on foot - it was super heavy, not very articulated, the helmet would not turn at all, etc. And despite what some morons will tell you, a pointy weapon is always better than a blunt one, everything else being equal.

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Nonja'd by NouH. No matter, it is worth repeating.

[Twinkletoes]

"a katana will NEVER penetrate plate armor,"

Yup, katana were more ceremonial side arms than weapons. What was it?
"there are a 100 way of the spear schools of fighting for every way of the sword"
Anicent japan weapon of choice was the spear and the bow.

"a sword, don't matter the size, will never pierce a good quality plate armor"

Yup, the appropriate weapon on the battlefield was the hammer. Unbalances armor wearers, shocks or outright knocks out when hitting the helmet, and dents armor jagged turning it into your personal iron maiden. The sword was a side arm nothing more.

XxEeNnXxEeIi
If this game was as realistic as you wanted it to be. Swords would be COMPLETLEY impractical for anything above mail, and even then barely.
Steel is not good at cutting steel.

Edit:
"The energy of a horse charging at 30km/h with a knight secured in his saddle is an order of magnitude higher than that of a .50 sniper bullet. The working area of that square lance tip is not much bigger than the bullet's section. Envelope level calculations show 4 times the N/mm² (think pound per square inch in Imperial) in favor of the lance."

Tuidjy is right,This is pretty much a manual "bullet".

Velocity and mass focused on one point leads to DEVESTATING results. I mean heck why do you think spears were so popular.

1)The principal Tuidjy explained.
2) easy enough that even a farmer can pick up and use it.