Independence question

[Private Ha]

I'm currently a vassal, but I'm thinking of starting my own kingdom. I know that you can become your own kingdom by renouncing your allegience, but what happens to the castles, towns and villages I have. Do they stay under my control or are they stripped from me?

[MAI]

they stay at ur command i suppose

[Twinkletoes]

If you ask the king to release you from your oath you forfeit all your property but remain peaceful to the faction itself.

If you renounce your allegience(such as when asking for a castle) you will keep all your fiefs BUT will instantly be enemies with your country.

Also in combination of lacking right to rule, bad relations with other factions, and simply being weak(a castle and a few villages, a city MAYBE) you will be a prime target FOR ALL factions, its not unheard of to be dogpiled by....well bascially the world at that stage.

[Private Ha]

Ah, okay thanks. It's just at the moment, I control three castles and a town, whilst the rest of the faction control one town and four castles with only three or so lords matching my party. It seemed like a ripe time for rebellion but oh well.

[Twinkletoes]

Well yeah it might work.

But bear in mind that even if you can take your faction, OTHER factions will see you BOTH as a juicy target and declare war for an easy victory.

Its kinda the big fear of traitors, they leave the door WIDE open for other factions.

You can try of course but bear in mind, no matter HOW much right to rule, HOW many kings are your friend, or how many troops you might have. You can trust no one, you will be attacked if you look weak.

You can never be to prepared to make your own kingdom.

[happy]

with okish right to rule(40) and good timing you ll be fine.

just make sure the other factions have an on going war, if you are honorable with ok RTR, at 0 relation with a king, he will not declare war at the minute you become king.

just tear down your orignal faction fast, get new lords quick and grow before the other nations' wars end.

[Corrupted Sanity (Vex)]

You might want to spend some time buildinng up relations with other lords - from all factions. Once you declare yourself king, you can ask them to join you, no matter what faction they're from. They're more likely to do so if they like you, and if they don't like their current king.

One thing to watch out for - The most loyal lords are going to be the hardest to convince. You can tell what personality they have by asking them how they feel about politics or something like that.

On the other hand, you can pretty easily convince the self-serving guys to switch if they stand to gain from it. But they'll also be less loyal to you.

I typically go for some of the "martial" lords - They're harder to manage than the good-natured lords, but at least you'll have a couple armies running around on your side. Maybe just give them villages or castles to the ones who really like you.

[Private Ha]

I think I have about 160ish honour and 30 RTR. Also the faction I'm siding on has probably the fewest lords, about 10-12. I've only seen maximum of 8 joining campaigns including the King himself, with no lord ever defecting or going into exile to ours. Is that programmed in that no lords will join the faction the player supports without their involvement?

[happy]

Originally posted by Private Ha:

I think I have about 160ish honour and 30 RTR. Also the faction I'm siding on has probably the fewest lords, about 10-12. I've only seen maximum of 8 joining campaigns including the King himself, with no lord ever defecting or going into exile to ours. Is that programmed in that no lords will join the faction the player supports without their involvement?

get a little more rtr, you are at 30, 40 is okish, it would be a pity to fail because of 10rtr, spend one hour working on that and it will greatly pay off, 30 is risky as hell.

as for the lords, nope, it's just probably that your king has nothing to offer, which is quite common when you are at the point of betraying him.

[Eratosthenes]

Yea, low right to rule will mean everyone hates you as soon as you declare. Bad times. Sending companions to seek out RTR, having the faction you're in negotiate peace, etc. raises it.

You'll keep any castles or towns (and gain their villages) when you declare independence, but lose any villages to which you don't also control their town/castle.