Is it just me or does swadia always fall first

[Johnson]

It might be my lack of hours but its always swadia first

[White Knight]

Originally posted by Cpt.Johnson:

Whoa guys, lets not turn this into an argument here. White Knight I forgive you as long as you stop blowing on the fire if you get my drift.

Thanks Cpt., I appreciate that. I am sorry for the harsh tone I used, you didn't deserve that.

You were sharing an observation and there's nothing wrong with that. My problem is that it's an observation that every player might be left with if they never played the game through to the conclusion. As such, the internet is overloaded with this "Butterlord" meme and it got on my nerves.

I don't particularly like the Harlaus character either, but then again, I've spent time trying to get to know all of the Kings and every single one of them was made to be easily detestable. The various claimant quests shed light on the dirty deeds that brought each of them to power.

In my mind, it is specifically because all of the Kings are inept losers, that a stranger from a distant land can get a sword and a horse and become the Emperor of Calradia.

When presented with an unreasonable comment, you chose to respond reasonably. I'm glad to see you in here.

[Fritz Bittenfeld]

Originally posted by White Knight:

Originally posted by Cpt.Johnson:

Whoa guys, lets not turn this into an argument here. White Knight I forgive you as long as you stop blowing on the fire if you get my drift.

Thanks Cpt., I appreciate that. I am sorry for the harsh tone I used, you didn't deserve that.

You were sharing an observation and there's nothing wrong with that. My problem is that it's an observation that every player might be left with if they never played the game through to the conclusion. As such, the internet is overloaded with this "Butterlord" meme and it got on my nerves.

I don't particularly like the Harlaus character either, but then again, I've spent time trying to get to know all of the Kings and every single one of them was made to be easily detestable. The various claimant quests shed light on the dirty deeds that brought each of them to power.

In my mind, it is specifically because all of the Kings are inept losers, that a stranger from a distant land can get a sword and a horse and become the Emperor of Calradia.

When presented with an unreasonable comment, you chose to respond reasonably. I'm glad to see you in here.

Who says the claimants aren't full of dhit?

[TinyTimCowboy]

OK BUT DAMN IS "WHITE KNIGHT" A GREAT NAME FOR YA

[Fritz Bittenfeld]

Originally posted by McTimTim:

OK BUT DAMN IS "WHITE KNIGHT" A GREAT NAME FOR YA

He is a leaf

[Stridswombat]

Originally posted by McTimTim:

OK BUT DAMN IS "WHITE KNIGHT" A GREAT NAME FOR YA

I was thinking the same thing. He's either really self aware of extremely not self aware.

[Tuidjy]

Can we just drop the discussion of White Knight's failings, real or perceived, and go back to Swadia, kings, and pretenders? Like this:

Pretenders are no better than kings. They use the same A.I.

But there is a major difference: pretenders start their reign with a selection of vassals that have been convinced by the player to join. If the player is a highly honorable lord, if the player used only righteous arguments, and especially if the player planned to give his protegee a stable kingdom, the pretender will end up ruling an united front of saintly and wise аssеd lords, and thus appear a much better monarch.

Lady Isolla is not a genius, but if she is enthroned by one, she will appear head and shoulders above king Harlaus. And given how pretty those head and shoulders are, you should be playing a mod that allows you to marry her, so you can both see Swadia ascendant, and be its co-ruler.

[Preacher]

Originally posted by White Knight:

No, it's not just you...it's every short-sighted fool who has never played a full campaign.

Tuidgy laid it out for you quite plainly - it's not possible to be confused after reading that.

Swadia will fall if the player actively works against them. Swadia might fall if the player does nothing at all...for the reasons explained above.

Swadia is arguably the best faction with the worst starting position (smells a bit like game balance huh?).

Just because the world is filled with stupid people doesn't mean that you have to behave just like them. These endless moronic posts about Swadia and King Harlaus are annoying.

Get a new meme for crissakes!

There is no "best" or "worst", it's not some tribal/sports/political circlejerk. The game was not designed by eleven year olds.

When you have actually played the game, it will become perfectly clear that none of the Kings are any better than the others. All factions suffer from the same A.I. shortcomings.

Just for ♥♥♥♥♥ and giggles, give this a try for once in your life...learn first and then formulate an opinion. I know, crazy right?

Ah, another angry 11 year-old ready to take on the internet by storm to sh*t on somebody's day. It appears no one cares if your patience is stretched thin and is no viable excuse for acting like a grade-A arse. Clearly, other people answered the OP's question before you and your entry is just a waste of time and energy, just here to help spread cancer on the forums. Good day, sir and God bless.

EDIT: I see you have apologized and the situation has cooled. Forgive me for blitzkreiging after the war has concluded.

[DecayWolf]

So many emotions on this thread.

I've found somewhere that each faction is scrippted to start a war against 1 nearby faction in order to claim a specific region, but Swadians are the only faction meant to be at war agaisnt 3 factions.

Khergits are also surrounded by 3 factions, plus 2 factions can get access to them somewhat easily. They have the absolutely worst untis for siege offense/defense in the game, however they never are the first to fall, unless the player intervene, infact I saw they grow larger quite a few times already.

In the lore, Swadia used to rule the entire Calradia, when they're the 'empire,' but the clans decided it was enough and set apart. Swadia is basically a inspiration of the old Rome, when they split apart and got obliterated by enemies attacking from all sides.

[Fritz Bittenfeld]

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

So many emotions on this thread.

I've found somewhere that each faction is scrippted to start a war against 1 nearby faction in order to claim a specific region, but Swadians are the only faction meant to be at war agaisnt 3 factions.

Khergits are also surrounded by 3 factions, plus 2 factions can get access to them somewhat easily. They have the absolutely worst untis for siege offense/defense in the game, however they never are the first to fall, unless the player intervene, infact I saw they grow larger quite a few times already.

In the lore, Swadia used to rule the entire Calradia, when they're the 'empire,' but the clans decided it was enough and set apart. Swadia is basically a inspiration of the old Rome, when they split apart and got obliterated by enemies attacking from all sides.

What lore

[DecayWolf]

One of these bannerlord videos explicity said, the new game will be a prequel, showing the events that set Swadia empire apart.

Also I think I've read somewhere in the game some quotations about Swadia being an empire, from one of the companions. Not really that relevant.

[Fritz Bittenfeld]

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

One of these bannerlord videos explicity said, the new game will be a prequel, showing the events that set Swadia empire apart.

Also I think I've read somewhere in the game some quotations about Swadia being an empire, from one of the companions. Not really that relevant.

So Bannerlord has a set storyline then where Swadia wins.

Guess it's off my list of games then.

[DecayWolf]

Originally posted by Karl von Österreich-Ungarn:

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

One of these bannerlord videos explicity said, the new game will be a prequel, showing the events that set Swadia empire apart.

Also I think I've read somewhere in the game some quotations about Swadia being an empire, from one of the companions. Not really that relevant.

So Bannerlord has a set storyline then where Swadia wins.

Guess it's off my list of games then.

It sounded more likely, we'll play in a period where Swadia is very strong as default, but events will happen which will we'll be abled to see at first hand, how they'll fall miserably.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Karl von Österreich-Ungarn:

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

One of these bannerlord videos explicity said, the new game will be a prequel, showing the events that set Swadia empire apart.

Also I think I've read somewhere in the game some quotations about Swadia being an empire, from one of the companions. Not really that relevant.

So Bannerlord has a set storyline then where Swadia wins.

Guess it's off my list of games then.

No, there is a faction that seems to be the precursor of modern swadia. Bannerlord is apparently set in the declining years of the Calradic empire. Since said empire doesn't exist in warband canonically I guess they kicked the bucket.

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by Karl von Österreich-Ungarn:

Originally posted by DecayWolf:

One of these bannerlord videos explicity said, the new game will be a prequel, showing the events that set Swadia empire apart.

Also I think I've read somewhere in the game some quotations about Swadia being an empire, from one of the companions. Not really that relevant.

So Bannerlord has a set storyline then where Swadia wins.

Guess it's off my list of games then.

No, it does not.

It's a prequel, Swadia does not exist. The Calradian empire is breaking apart, and it is up to you whether you will let it happens. Swadia will never come into being if the Empire stabilizes.

As for Warband, Swadia was never an empire. Calradia was. Harlaus rules what Swadians claim were the most important cities of the Empire, and thus calls himself a heir of the Empire. If you listen to all the companions, and all the pretenders, and speak to commoners, you can get a very good idea of the history of the Calradian Empire, and what let to its breakup.

The companions are the best source of lore, with their backgrounds, the dialogue they have when passing through specific regions, their comments when sent to toot your horn, or spy on an enemy faction.

[Straybow]

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

Originally posted by Karl von Österreich-Ungarn:

So Bannerlord has a set storyline then where Swadia wins.

Guess it's off my list of games then.

No, it does not.

It's a prequel, Swadia does not exist. The Calradian empire is breaking apart, and it is up to you whether you will let it happens. Swadia will never come into being if the Empire stabilizes.

As for Swadia, it was never an empire. Calradia was. Harlaus rules what Swadians claim were the most important cities of the Empire, and thus calls himself a heir of the Empire. If you listen to all the companions, and all the pretenders, and speak to commoners, you can get a very good idea of the history of the Calradian Empire, and what let to its breakup.

The companions are the best source of lore, with their backgrounds, the dialogue they have when passing through specific regions, their comments when sent to toot your horn, or spy on an enemy faction.

I'lll admit my Firentis inspired fixation on Suno has been somewhat dented based on its apparant location on Bannerlords map.