Doccinga?

[owman1]

I'm trying to defend Doccinga but everyone keeps getting obliterated to the extent that it's just me vs 20-30 elite, chainmail armored vikings at the end. My axe bounces of their armor (swinging 2 handed overhead) and I've been trying this one level all night with no luck - i feel like i'm never going to see the rest of the campaign. Even the Huskarl and his men die to the last man and it seems there are limitations on the men and equipment you can get in Freise (sp?) so i'm stuck atm. I can't seem to fight more than one man at once because my blocking is rudimentary to say the least and they seem to merge together into some sort of octopus-like ubermensch and destroy me in short order. When the vikings do reach my line they my men break off and get surrounded and killed, I can't seem to get them to stay in a orderly formation. (these are supposedly the king's elite men as well...)

I really need help here, i've got a party of 49 norse freemen+the villagers+the huskarl's band and i'm still getting flattened.

[owman1]

Originally posted by Shadow Guardian:

Freemen are no match if you are versing vikings. Vikings are one of the highest tier troops, try leveling up your freemen more and bring more soldiers if possible

Fair enough, dunno who to fight around friese though - the thieves are pretty pitiful and the lords are waaaay too much.

[owman1]

Originally posted by Shadow Guardian:

Go to england and fight the masterless men, I don't play Viking Conquest that much though so I'm not sure where the best places are. If u need money just lower your reputation so its -10 and start looking for thief hideouts, sell all the loot their as they offer better prices than mostt citys

Damn - i forgot you could pay for a lift to England. I'll have another go later and see if better fortune awaits on the mainland. One thing, do you know if the Quest to save Doccinga has a timer or can I go kit myself up and come back 2-3 months later?

[White Knight]

Go back to Warband and learn more about the game. This isn't an insult, it's the most helpful advice I can think of.

I'm assuming you've already lowered the difficulty settings as far as it goes, so the only thing left short of cheating is learning how to fight more effectively.

Viking Conquest was designed to challenge players who have already mastered Warband. It's brutal and unforgiving. Furthermore, you are correct, you will always be limited in that early fight. The only answer is better troops and better player skills. Warband will teach you how to get both.

Your comment sounds like a person asking how to juggle chainsaws. The answer is learning how to juggle rubber balls first. You can ignore the good advice but it won't be pretty.

[Tuidjy]

You can win Doccinga with just the troops supplied by the king, especially if you play at low difficulty. They need to be lead, though, or the vikings' shield wall will chew them up.

The stupid part is that at the beginning of the battle, there are a few seconds in which your commands do not work, and after which troops get rearranged, reassigned, and basically everything goes to pieces. At least this was the case when I played it, an year or so ago.

So, you have to wait until you get command of them all, and once you do, they will obey you 'till the end of the battle. I strongly recommend that you use the king's men as the anvil, and your own men as the hammer, i.e. pull your men back until the enemy shield wall focuses on the king's men (whom you would have ordered into a shield wall, as well) and then flank them while holding fire. Once you and your men are at the enemy's back, have them throw their javelins and charge.

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In order to be able to command your men separately from the king's, you have to assign them to different divisions than the ones they start with. I usually rename 'Infantry' to "1st Maniple" and place some specific types of infantry into "2nd maniple", which I then use as a flanking unit.

[owman1]

Originally posted by White Knight:

Go back to Warband and learn more about the game. This isn't an insult, it's the most helpful advice I can think of.

I'm assuming you've already lowered the difficulty settings as far as it goes, so the only thing left short of cheating is learning how to fight more effectively.

Viking Conquest was designed to challenge players who have already mastered Warband. It's brutal and unforgiving. Furthermore, you are correct, you will always be limited in that early fight. The only answer is better troops and better player skills. Warband will teach you how to get both.

Your comment sounds like a person asking how to juggle chainsaws. The answer is learning how to juggle rubber balls first. You can ignore the good advice but it won't be pretty.

Damnit, I Thought I was alright, I usually play on normal so I might have to kick the bucket and turn the difficulty down. I'm frustrated because everytime I go into that one specific fight I get ganked by 4-5 of the beefiest guys and stabbed in the back by one of them. I don't actually know what else to do given those early troops except do what was said earlier and bugger off to england to build up for a while, although that does an excellent job of totally derailing the pacing. I'll probably just go back to native like a noob and sod the whole affair. Not angry with you, just frustrated that with me 100hrs invested =/= improvement...

Another problem is when I lower my shield to ready a swing I get shanked 2-3 times in the time it takes to get my axe up for a hit. I've tried bashing with my shield, kicking or backpedalling but the shipmasters and elite vikings are too damn good for me or my guys.

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by owman1:

Another problem is when I lower my shield to ready a swing I get shanked 2-3 times in the time it takes to get my axe up for a hit. I've tried bashing with my shield, kicking or backpedalling but the shipmasters and elite vikings are too damn good for me or my guys.

No time passes while you are fighting in the arena. You can work on your weapon proficiencies, increase your combat skills as your stats allow, and even make enough money for a real sword - axes are slow at low proficiency. And if you are using a shield with an axe that can be used two handed, you are suffering a MAJOR speed penalty, on top of the axe's intrinsic low speed. There's a significant damage penalty, as well.

[White Knight]

If you aren't a "noob" at something, then you're just a loser spinning your wheels in the mud.

Having the sense to accept your limitations is the first step towards overcoming them.

There's nothing in Viking Conquest you can't do. It's just a horrible game for learning how to play Mount & Blade. A new player starting off in Viking Conquest is just a victim.

I've put nearly three-thousand hours into these games and I still haven't managed to rule the map in Viking Conquest yet.

It's not that you aren't good enough for Viking Conquest, it's more like Viking Conquest is poorly designed and probably shouldn't even be sold to new players.

Build a strong foundation by playing Warband, then go back and check out VC. You'll have more appreciation for the changes they made that way too.

(You could brute force your way through this part but it will only get worse.)

[parke6993]

hmm... I'd totally see VC through bud. It's well worth it.
Especially the last part of the quest line (which i struggled with for a whole day because I'm seemingly daft sometimes), but I don't want to spoil that for you....
the first time i played through VC i didn't bugger off to England either because I wanted not to 'cheat'. What I did do, though, was camp my lowest level troops and chase thieves and other crud with the smallest party i could manage whilst still killing them effectively... the thinking was to level up a good hard squad that i could use to stand toe-to-toe against the elite vikings and just use whatever else i had to nibble away from sides and rear. And doing every quest I could for the bonus exp ofc.
TBH doing it that way took a very long time, and on every playthrough since I've started off trading my way around the map until I can afford my own fleet and better troops, but it was satisfying to save Doccinga without any advantages the first time round (actually I expected it to be harder than it was and went overboard in my prep, but lesson learned there too).

The above strategy by Tuidjy of waiting to take control of the troops and using your own to out-manouvre the vikings would work really well too, but if you're really impatient in-battle i might suggest concentrating on your ranged attack skills and head-shotting the enemy before they even land. Suppose that depends on your skill with ranged weps though

but yeah, waffle aside, dont give up on VC too soon! It's well worth the time and extra skill development/learning

[parke6993]

actually, Brytenwalda was awesome too. If VC is becoming too much chore and less like fun, you could try that.
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damn. now I want to play brytenwalda.... i hate this game!!!!!1 aaarrgh

[George Costanza]

LOL. I can only imagine what reaction would've been if the quests were released in the way they were in October of 2015. Thiaderd had like twice as many troops, and Doccinga had an extra viking ship. Surprisingly, I could beat it after 4 reloads, but barely, so it's definitely doable, just make sure you get about 30-40 troops T2-T3 and you should be fine. Remember vikings have a major disadvantage as many of them get off the ships into the water and then simply charge, don't charge your troops too soon. Good luck!