Perisno: recruiting prisoners

[JewBallin]

trying to recruit outlaws. its been 2 weeks and they still wont pop up for recruitment. any ideas?

[Xalaron]

You should read the patchnotes sometime:

Recruitment conditions were "tightened". If it's your own prisoners, you can only recruit them as long as they are from friendly factions and have smaller level than yours. If it's some other party's prisoners you are rescuing, they will be more eager to join, though you will still need high level, high persuasion skill and good relationship with prisoners' factions to be able to rescue elite soldiers.

[JewBallin]

Originally posted by Xalaron:

You should read the patchnotes sometime:

Recruitment conditions were "tightened". If it's your own prisoners, you can only recruit them as long as they are from friendly factions and have smaller level than yours. If it's some other party's prisoners you are rescuing, they will be more eager to join, though you will still need high level, high persuasion skill and good relationship with prisoners' factions to be able to rescue elite soldiers.

lol thanks, explains a ton.

[JewBallin]

update: so i improved my relations with outlaws to 20,have a persuasion lvl of 5, and have a modest character lvl of 20. still struggling with recruiting outlaw prisoners.

[Tuidjy]

Originally posted by JewBallin:

update: so i improved my relations with outlaws to 20,have a persuasion lvl of 5, and have a modest character lvl of 20. still struggling with recruiting outlaw prisoners.

The outlaws are only one out of about twenty minor factions which start negative to you. Out of them, only four troops are below level 20 - robbers, bandits, wandering criminals, and one more, maybe brigand. The other outlaws are outside of your reach, just are Eagle/Wolf/Ilka? knights, raiders, demon worshipers, escaped slaves, legionnaires of the Third, etc, etc, etc..

The way to do it is not to beat them up then try to recruit them. You are supposed to defeat a party that holds a bunch of them prisoner, and they will join you if their relationship with you is positive. In my experience, the ones who are really worth it are the Eagle knights. Hardly anyone else is worth the effort, except for boasting rights. Knight of Doom are impressive on paper, but you do not get enough of them in a party to make rescuing them pay off.

[JewBallin]

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

Originally posted by JewBallin:

update: so i improved my relations with outlaws to 20,have a persuasion lvl of 5, and have a modest character lvl of 20. still struggling with recruiting outlaw prisoners.

The outlaws are only one out of about twenty minor factions which start negative to you. Out of them, only four troops are below level 20 - robbers, bandits, wandering criminals, and one more, maybe brigand. The other outlaws are outside of your reach, just are Eagle/Wolf/Ilka? knights, raiders, demon worshipers, escaped slaves, legionnaires of the Third, etc, etc, etc..

The way to do it is not to beat them up then try to recruit them. You are supposed to defeat a party that holds a bunch of them prisoner, and they will join you if their relationship with you is positive. In my experience, the ones who are really worth it are the Eagle knights. Hardly anyone else is worth the effort, except for boasting rights. Knight of Doom are impressive on paper, but you do not get enough of them in a party to make rescuing them pay off.

i got like 60 vanquishers and 40 knights of doom, its lit.

[Tuidjy]

Wow, you must have made a point of collecting them, keeping them out of harm's way, or you play with reduced allied damage.

For me in Perisno, heavy cavalry is expendable. Even with Surgery 10(+2) they die more than any other troop, so I go for something I can recruit is mass and use up without regrets. My shield infantry is only risked in sieges, my shooters seldom get hurt, but the heavy cavalry is here today, gone tomorrow.

[JewBallin]

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

Wow, you must have made a point of collecting them, keeping them out of harm's way, or you play with reduced allied damage.

For me in Perisno, heavy cavalry is expendable. Even with Surgery 10(+2) they die more than any other troop, so I go for something I can recruit is mass and use up without regrets. My shield infantry is only risked in sieges, my shooters seldom get hurt, but the heavy cavalry is here today, gone tomorrow.

yeah im on the default settings of perisno .8. I made a ton of money off tournament grinding(like 200K) and then proceeded to get every companion possible. I stacked up on party skills and just sat training untill i got my army together. tbh the vanguishers and the knights of doom are like the native swadian knights, idk how, maybe im just playing on an easy difficulty.

[Tuidjy]

When you are playing on reduced allied damage, the balance even in Native goes out of the window. Heavily armored units on your side are practically invulnerable. In Perisno, the effect is even worse, because while 70+ armor in Native is extraordinary, in Perisno you can go over 100. Thus heavily armored units on your side are invincible. The knight of Doom is one of the super armored units, and when you double or even quadruple his armor by playing at anything but full damage, he becomes a 'I win' unit.

You must remember that the hard mods, like Perisno and Pendor are balanced for 135% difficulty. With their level 50+ units, you HAVE to use tactics... but if you make your armored units effectively invulnerable, Pendor and Perisno become a cakewalk, even more than Native and Gekokujo, where the is no super heavy armor.

[stecph]

Originally posted by Tuidjy:

You must remember that the hard mods, like Perisno and Pendor are balanced for 135% difficulty. With their level 50+ units, you HAVE to use tactics... but if you make your armored units effectively invulnerable, Pendor and Perisno become a cakewalk, even more than Native and Gekokujo, where the is no super heavy armor.

hahahahahaha I play on like 25%...that's why I feel so badass!!!:-)))
Good info though, I would have guessed they were balanced way lower than 135%.

[JewBallin]

even with the difficulty tho, once you put together a god squad of companions and build your own skills you can spit out advanced troops so quickly. within 5 days i could probrably train 100 guys up to top rank.

[Tuidjy]

Do you play with companion complaints off? The two best trainers, Arcanus and Dietrich do not get along. And of course, the two of them and player character are the only who can train all elites to the top tier, as the next to last tier of elites are usually level 45.

When you fight at quarter damage, troops with armor 70+ shrug off everything short of a lance at full charge or a bladed crossbow's bolt to the head. If you had to replace the casualties, your trainers would not look so good.

Seriously. Try a battle at size 375 and full allied damage, and see how your heavy tanks do. And remember, to get at top tier, many troops take a solid thousand gold.

Of course, it is not impossible. All I am saying is that at full difficulty, "Charge!" will not get you far, even with top tier troops.

[Tuidjy]

How the hell do you get 200+ holy crusaders!? The only way I know to get those is by improving relations with the New Gods, and freeing them from prisoners. I am not aware of anything that upgrades to them, so you'd have to wait until thousands spawn, so that they can get captured, and so that you can free them.

How long do you guys play? In earlier versions, I'd unite the map sometimes during the second game year. I've been playing the new version for the quests, and bows have been nerfed, so it's taking me a bit longer than usual, but still, those troop numbers sound outlandish to me.

Sure, you can gather large armies of top tiers, but why? Well commanded lower tiers get the job faster, cheaper, and do not make you feel bad when they kick the bucket.

[JewBallin]

dude we grind so much. you have no clue how hard it was to get like 50 knights of doom.

[Tuidjy]

Well, this is one of the strengths of Warband, there are a ton of different ways to play. I am still curious, which game year are you guys in, with your 50 knights of doom or 200 holy crusaders?

My current character in Perisno is level 37 at game day 134, leads about 150 men, and has about ten freed dragon riders in his city. Those are the only troops he's bothered to conserve. Heavy bladed crossbowmen and kaiserliche scharfschutze to do the killing, and drachenritter support them. For income, there's an enterprise in every city, and from time to time, a team of Perisno priestesses and elite bounty hunters go out to collect some slaves.

All troops are easy to recruit, train and upgrade, and they do the job just fine. I'm still doing the quests, which is why I have not bothered to go on a conquering spree... well, that, and the fact that bows no longer work as well as they did. Money is not a problem, as I have about 200,000 and a great income, but I have not started really upgrading the warband's gear.

[JewBallin]

you are quite far ahead, I am lvl 25 have established a few enterprises to maintain upkeep but other than that i milk nations for money. I want to establish more however its difficult when cities guildmasters provide missions that are hard to complete because it is hard to find the objective or the mission simply doesnt work.