Stop going into this controversy uneducated

[Hero Puddle]

I may just be parroting Scott on this one but seriously, people still think that everything went down in twitter, as if they just caved in to one allegation of sexual assault.

If you genuinely cared about hearing Alec's side of the story and not just blindly siding with Quinn then you should care about seeing Scott's response before just assuming this was all just a twitter farse.

The accusations only put to light how abusive he had been over the last years, something that he only managed to hide the worst of. But the volumes of evidence that he was just unsuitable to work with requires claims of some extreme conspiracy to dispute

I understand, this was all a coping mechanism, Alec needed help more than ever, but none of this came to light before he killed himself, so don't play captain hindsight on Scott. You cannot expect people to just figure that Alec would just kill himself especially when he was so quiet about it.

People who are trying to find one overarching villain in this are just wrong. If you want to blame anyone, blame the mobs, the ones who want to just find someone to harass, be it the sickos who call good riddance for Alec or the mental gymnasts who cry murder on Zoe's part. This whole thing is just ♥♥♥♥, it's life throwing Alec, Scott and Bethany the biggest lemons it can.

EDIT: I've been getting a lot of people telling me that I'm just believing her with no proof. Well there is no possibility of proof because no matter what happens there is always the possibility of some crazy circumstances, Especially in the age of deep fakes, account hacking and just holding people at gunpoint. That's why courts use the term "proof beyond a reasonable doubt". Don't just take Zoe's word for it, she is renowned liar after all, that's why we use evidence, because the evidence says that this time she's right.

[staryoshi06]

thank god there's an actual real person in these forums.

[VB Driver]

Zoe Quinn is an infamous hardcore lying scam feminist so it's obvious why people support Alec 100%.

[wind0sun]

Originally posted by VB Project:

Zoe Quinn is an infamous hardcore lying scam feminist so it's obvious why people support Alec 100%.

[Hero Puddle]

Originally posted by VB Project:

Zoe Quinn is an infamous hardcore lying scam feminist so it's obvious why people support Alec 100%.

Yes, she has had a history of lies and bad behaviour, but if you actually looked at the response from Alec's family (before it had to be taken down because of harassment from all angles) it was clear that Zoe was telling the truth. it was clear from countless testimonies and corroborations including Alec's own posts of his mental illness as this happened before a time that he said to have mentally healed.

His altercation is not at the heart of the issue however, he was still to the day he died a very broken man only being able to hide the worst of it from his close friends and family, People should still side with him not because you want to believe that he's innocent because that simply isn't the case, but because he needed help but didn't know how to get it until too late.

Again, you may think Zoe is a good person or a bad person in general, but when it comes to this situation there is no villain.

[Hero Puddle]

Originally posted by Safaris:

Originally posted by Ultimate4Head:

Yes, she has had a history of lies and bad behaviour, but if you actually looked at the response from Alec's family it was clear that Zoe was telling the truth. it was clear from countless testimonies and corroborations including Alec's own posts of his mental illness as this happened before a time that he said to have mentally healed.

His altercation is not at the heart of the issue however, he was still to the day he died a very broken man only being able to hide the worst of it from his close friends and family, People should still side with him not because you want to believe that he's innocent because that simply isn't the case, but because he needed help but didn't know how to get it until too late.

Again, you may think Zoe is a good person or a bad person in general, but when it comes to this situation there is no villain.

Yes, because we can go straight from someone having mental issues to them also having committed sexual assault.

Clearly, believing all victims makes things so much easier

Did you honestly not read anything I said? His family knows he did it, Alec himself made them know he did it, even if he didn't do it it was his patterns of severe abuse which ultimately led to him loosing so much, not a single allegation.

When the accusations initially came out, I was unfairly targeted and even harassed as part of some hate group, I too didn't trust Zoe because of her history. It got to the point where the subreddit moderators (who's points I was disputing in the first place) had to take down the harassment against me.

However upon his death I actually looked at the evidence, the fact that his own family and friends urged us that Zoe was telling the truth this time, how numerous corroberators came fourth with his own behaviors, how abuse works in general.

Believing this victim in particular is easy because the mental gymnastics required to state otherwise when you actually look more than an inch deep into the story is insane.

[Hero Puddle]

Originally posted by Safaris:

Oh, his family knows he did it? I guess, there's nothing to add here, since I'm forced to accept random people claiming that "they simply know things".

Yes, nothing to see here.
BRB reforming the justice system

Yet when faced with mountains and mountains of evidence in which you have to call his own grieving family liars with no counter-evidence other than character references on Zoe you still think that Zoe is guilty until proven innocent?

[Tonkinese]

Originally posted by Ultimate4Head:

I may just be parroting Scott on this one but seriously, people still think that everything went down in twitter, as if they just caved in to one allegation of sexual assault.

If you genuinely cared about hearing Alec's side of the story and not just blindly siding with Quinn then you should care about seeing Scott's response before just assuming this was all just a twitter farse.

The accusations only put to light how abusive he had been over the last years, something that he only managed to hide the worst of. But the volumes of evidence that he was just unsuitable to work with requires claims of some extreme conspiracy to dispute

I understand, this was all a coping mechanism, Alec needed help more than ever, but none of this came to light before he killed himself, so don't play captain hindsight on Scott. You cannot expect people to just figure that Alec would just kill himself especially when he was so quiet about it.

People who are trying to find one overarching villain in this are just wrong. If you want to blame anyone, blame the mobs, the ones who want to just find someone to harass, be it the sickos who call good riddance for Alec or the mental gymnasts who cry murder on Zoe's part. This whole thing is just ♥♥♥♥, it's life throwing Alec, Scott and Bethany the biggest lemons it can.

here is a bit of an education ZOE AND HER FRIENDS LIE HAVE LIED AND CONTINUE TO LIE ANYTHING FROM HER EVEN IF IT IS TRUTH COMES ACROSS AS A LIE BECAUSE SHE IS A LIAR HER FRIENDS ARE LIARS

[Tonkinese]

Originally posted by Ultimate4Head:

Originally posted by Safaris:

Yes, because we can go straight from someone having mental issues to them also having committed sexual assault.

Clearly, believing all victims makes things so much easier

Did you honestly not read anything I said? His family knows he did it, Alec himself made them know he did it, even if he didn't do it it was his patterns of severe abuse which ultimately led to him loosing so much, not a single allegation.

When the accusations initially came out, I was unfairly targeted and even harassed as part of some hate group, I too didn't trust Zoe because of her history. It got to the point where the subreddit moderators (who's points I was disputing in the first place) had to take down the harassment against me.

However upon his death I actually looked at the evidence, the fact that his own family and friends urged us that Zoe was telling the truth this time, how numerous corroberators came fourth with his own behaviors, how abuse works in general.

Believing this victim in particular is easy because the mental gymnastics required to state otherwise when you actually look more than an inch deep into the story is insane.

stop lying
for once your information IS HEARSAY PERIOD NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE OTHER THAN LIES FROM LIARS WHO HAVE ON RECORD LIED!!!!!!

[Jesus Cristo]

These people dont trust on the rule of law because they want the power for themselves, this time your agenda really backfired and some jail time is on the menu.

[Malkav0]

Because it's sooo important to know if someone has done bad things before knowing what "justice" should be served. Gosh, Human Rights are probably trying to set themselves on fire reading these discussions.

[Rens Agatha ⁧【レンス】]

I want to give negative review for alec life !!! even i dont have the game !!!!

[Malkav0]

Originally posted by Eudaemonia:

What rule of law did anyone violate here? What laws were broken? You guys are bit of a joke with this jail talk. You're chasing windmills at this point.

Potentially: 1) defamatory libel 2) homicide by improper action
That said, it would help if this was actually dealt with by a prosecutor, along with abuses accusations. Because that's how it's supposed to be done...

[Hero Puddle]

Originally posted by Tonkinese:

Originally posted by Ultimate4Head:

Did you honestly not read anything I said? His family knows he did it, Alec himself made them know he did it, even if he didn't do it it was his patterns of severe abuse which ultimately led to him loosing so much, not a single allegation.

When the accusations initially came out, I was unfairly targeted and even harassed as part of some hate group, I too didn't trust Zoe because of her history. It got to the point where the subreddit moderators (who's points I was disputing in the first place) had to take down the harassment against me.

However upon his death I actually looked at the evidence, the fact that his own family and friends urged us that Zoe was telling the truth this time, how numerous corroberators came fourth with his own behaviors, how abuse works in general.

Believing this victim in particular is easy because the mental gymnastics required to state otherwise when you actually look more than an inch deep into the story is insane.

stop lying
for once your information IS HEARSAY PERIOD NO ACTUAL EVIDENCE OTHER THAN LIES FROM LIARS WHO HAVE ON RECORD LIED!!!!!!

Why are you accusing his own family of lying? They only wanted the best for him but even they couldn't escape the unfortunate results of Alecs ongoing mental issues.

[Jesus Cristo]

Originally posted by Eudaemonia:

Originally posted by Malkav0:

Potentially: 1) defamatory libel 2) homicide by improper action
That said, it would help if this was actually dealt with by a prosecutor, along with abuses accusations. Because that's how it's supposed to be done...

I'm laughing my ass off you think Zoe is guilty of homocide. You're silly. Nothing will happen to her because she didn't do anything wrong. She just made an accusation.

Accusations need proof and you can get jail for falsely accusing someone.

[Malkav0]

Originally posted by Eudaemonia:

Originally posted by Malkav0:

Potentially: 1) defamatory libel 2) homicide by improper action
That said, it would help if this was actually dealt with by a prosecutor, along with abuses accusations. Because that's how it's supposed to be done...

I'm laughing my ass off you think Zoe is guilty of homocide. You're silly. Nothing will happen to her because she didn't do anything wrong. She just made an accusation.

Nothing will happen because noone will care. If you think I'm silly, you probably believe your opinion constitute a better law than an actual system. I'm not even laughing at that, it's just sad. Also, she did not make accusations, the word would require an actual course of actions, what she did is "put it out there and whatever happens".