This game costs $460. Taxes not included.

[Fluffah]

Or around that.

Seriously.

If you want the 'complete experience' for the Sims 3, it will cost you $460, taxes not included. Some DLC packs cost $40 while the base game costs $20

I was wondering why there was never "Ultimate Edition" for this game. Now I know.

Because EA would have to be even more ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ insane then it is to ask for more than $100 for a game, let alone how much their greedy ambitions would dare to set the price.

Not to mention that I hear that the more packs you get, the slower the game will run and it will crash with greater frequency.

So I guess I should stick with the Sims 2 then?

Bloody hell EA, what are you thinking. There's no excuse for this

[Fluffah]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Proteus:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย rawrieatchu01:

But they DO take shortcuts, what about the dive in performance as you add more and more expansions? or the frequency in the crashes that people keep talking about?

And you also mentioned buying the expansions AGAIN. You bought the Weather and University packs seperate in Sims 3, maybe even in 2, and you'll do it again in 4? You're insane, this is why EA keeps doing this.

The dive in performance is not unexpected, considering he addition of game assets with each new EP. Not to forget the necessary communication between he base game and the new parts of the game (which also causes problems by itself ... just look at the lots of bugs that are caused by the new EPs, like Word Adventures for example).

In fact, one of the Sim Gurus once mentioned in a talk, that there was a reason why they released Pets only as 5th EP (and not earlier as they would have liked) ... and that was because there were severe problems that had to be solved beforehand (he didn´t go into detail, but I guess it either was pathing, or the general resource usage that was added with the huge increase in Mobs due to the added pets)

Also:
Of course I and everyone else have to pay for EPs for new parts of the game ... and don´t get them for free due to the fact that I already have them for Sims 2 (or in some cases Sims 1)

Do you think the developers of Maxis don´t demand any money for the ~half a year they work on every EP?

You're paying 50 dollars total for The Sims + Pets.

It should work damn near flawlessly(There will always be some issues I know). And if you do need to eject obsurd amounts of cash from your wallet and buy all the DLC, you have a right to expect it to run properly!

You're right, the more packs you add, the more stuff your computer has to do, but that means that the game should at least be set up to run all of this well, and not chug along just because it's snowing, and there is a dog on screen while at a university with some 80's furniture.

It's pathetic how lazily this was made and there is zero effort being put in to fix these problems.

The DLC should start being integrated into the main game for the 4th if there is going to be ANY improvement, you can't tell me that you want to pay another $30 dollars after the $60 you payed for the main game JUST SO IT WILL SNOW. It is a lazy cash grab that everyone is happy to go along with it seems.

[Derek]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย rawrieatchu01:

It's pathetic how lazily this was made and there is zero effort being put in to fix these problems.

The DLC should start being integrated into the main game for the 4th if there is going to be ANY improvement, you can't tell me that you want to pay another $30 dollars after the $60 you payed for the main game JUST SO IT WILL SNOW. It is a lazy cash grab that everyone is happy to go along with it seems.

As I can see where you're going with this and may agree one or two things from you, I unfortunately must point out that you are also being very narrow-minded. You don't realize that you only speak of your liking. The weather for instance, you personally may think it's an awful and ridiculous addition to the game, while others may think it's rewarding.

I for one favor the Pets, Ambitions and Seasons expansion packs. They may certainly be overpriced, but then rarely any DLC in the face of this planet is underpriced or sensible in any matter. They're immersive, therefore people buy them. They're not just an eye candy.
Truth to be told, as much you insist on disliking it, their DLC do actually contain far more content than most of DLC out there. One expansion pack usually contain new map(s), averages to about 175 objects, a set of new animations, interactions, abilities and dialogues.

Now whether they run smoothly or not is definitely an issue, occasionally to be game breaking, but that occurs to many other games as well. People will always find a way to complain, although The Sims, much like any other game is a luxury resource. It has no crucial meaning to your vitality, it's just a source of entertainment.
It's bound to be irrational as it's only there because we're spoiled.

[Fluffah]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Derek:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย rawrieatchu01:

It's pathetic how lazily this was made and there is zero effort being put in to fix these problems.

The DLC should start being integrated into the main game for the 4th if there is going to be ANY improvement, you can't tell me that you want to pay another $30 dollars after the $60 you payed for the main game JUST SO IT WILL SNOW. It is a lazy cash grab that everyone is happy to go along with it seems.

As I can see where you're going with this and may agree one or two things from you, I unfortunately must point out that you are also being very narrow-minded. You don't realize that you only speak of your liking. The weather for instance, you personally may think it's an awful and ridiculous addition to the game, while others may think it's rewarding.

I for one favor the Pets, Ambitions and Seasons expansion packs. They may certainly be overpriced, but then rarely any DLC in the face of this planet is underpriced or sensible in any matter. They're immersive, therefore people buy them. They're not just an eye candy.
Truth to be told, as much you insist on disliking it, their DLC do actually contain far more content than most of DLC out there. One expansion pack usually contain new map(s), averages to about 175 objects, a set of new animations, interactions, abilities and dialogues.

Now whether they run smoothly or not is definitely an issue, occasionally to be game breaking, but that occurs to many other games as well. People will always find a way to complain, although The Sims, much like any other game is a luxury resource. It has no crucial meaning to your vitality, it's just a source of entertainment.
It's bound to be irrational as it's only there because we're spoiled.

Weather, Pets, and all that jazz are great additions to the game, and that's why it's so infuriating that they hold that back until you pay them an extra $30 dollars for each bit.

[Fluffah]

Never wanted to imply that they were bad additions to the game.

[Derek]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย rawrieatchu01:

Weather, Pets, and all that jazz are great additions to the game, and that's why it's so infuriating that they hold that back until you pay them an extra $30 dollars for each bit.

It is indeed very frustrating, but of course they need a sly way too keep themselves going. To keep themselves conveniently motivated.

[[TIGS] starsrift]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Derek:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย rawrieatchu01:

Weather, Pets, and all that jazz are great additions to the game, and that's why it's so infuriating that they hold that back until you pay them an extra $30 dollars for each bit.

It is indeed very frustrating, but of course they need a sly way too keep themselves going. To keep themselves conveniently motivated.

If you'd rather a game that just gets reimplemented every year to get sold at top retail price, you should check out Call of Duty or FIFA.
If you'd rather play a game that comes out at retail price and then sells a constant stream of new gameplay and content in the form of EP's for $20 a piece, twice a year, play Sims.
You're the consumer, do what you like.

[Prune]

because you TOTALLY need the DLC to play the game. there is only 2-3 worth actually buying, and you probably wont even need more than 1, if any. im not saying i support EA, they are a terrible company and what they do is terrible, but the game itself is actually pretty good.

[elelunicy]

Stop calling them DLCs. Those are actually disc-based games sold in retailer stores (much like expansion packs of both the Sims 2 and 1). I've never heard anyone refering to The Sims: Hot Date or The Sims 2: Nightlife as DLCs, so there is no reason why The Sims 3: Late Night somehow becomes a money grabbing DLC. The real DLCs for the Sims 3 are those found in the Sims 3 store, which are much much more expensive.

And stop being obsessed with "full experience." You're not going to get that until you own everything on store.thesims3.com, which will probably costs you at least another $600 or so. Out of millions of the sims 3 players probably no more than a few hundred people own everything in the store. Does that mean all those people who don't have everything can't enjoy the game? Absolutely not. Just buy what you like and enjoy what you have.

[Arcamean]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CHIK3NZ FaceWrekr:

because you TOTALLY need the DLC to play the game. there is only 2-3 worth actually buying, and you probably wont even need more than 1, if any. im not saying i support EA, they are a terrible company and what they do is terrible, but the game itself is actually pretty good.

For those like myself it's not that we NEED them but we want them. I don't need the sims3 but if I'm going to choose it over sims4 I'd like to experience as much as possible. The current pricetag though is just too exessive period.

[CrispyNoodle]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Arcamean:

For those like myself it's not that we NEED them but we want them. I don't need the sims3 but if I'm going to choose it over sims4 I'd like to experience as much as possible. The current pricetag though is just too exessive period.

You want it, buy it. No amount of ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ on here is going to change the price.

[Proteus]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Arcamean:

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย CHIK3NZ FaceWrekr:

because you TOTALLY need the DLC to play the game. there is only 2-3 worth actually buying, and you probably wont even need more than 1, if any. im not saying i support EA, they are a terrible company and what they do is terrible, but the game itself is actually pretty good.

For those like myself it's not that we NEED them but we want them. I don't need the sims3 but if I'm going to choose it over sims4 I'd like to experience as much as possible. The current pricetag though is just too exessive period.

So, you would prefer a Sims that only has half of the EPs of the current Sims as it would mean that you have to pay less to get completely everything (even if this means that everyone also gets only half the game content [compared with a Sims with double the number of EPs])

[Arcamean]

@cryspynoodle I'm not "mitching" so much as whistful thinking. I know that EA is highly unlikley to ever release full experience of Sims3 until it's on the bargin bins of a swapmeet, lol.

@ Proteus, Why should I expect less content just because it's a packaged deal? Are you meaning to tell me you've -never- come across a game you like and invested in only to see imressive deals a year or two down the road? What does this doubled content matter if I can't afford it anyways? I don't know about you nor do I intend to speak for you but when I buy into a game especially an established one I like to experience the full shabang.

Your argument seems to be one of "I paid full price so you have no excuse for wanting the same content at a lesser price". I could be wrong but that's the sort of unwelcome, hostile attitude I'm percieving from you and cryspy.

[Proteus]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Arcamean:

@cryspynoodle I'm not "mitching" so much as whistful thinking. I know that EA is highly unlikley to ever release full experience of Sims3 until it's on the bargin bins of a swapmeet, lol.

@ Proteus, Why should I expect less content just because it's a packaged deal? Are you meaning to tell me you've -never- come across a game you like and invested in only to see imressive deals a year or two down the road? What does this doubled content matter if I can't afford it anyways? I don't know about you nor do I intend to speak for you but when I buy into a game especially an established one I like to experience the full shabang.

Your argument seems to be one of "I paid full price so you have no excuse for wanting the same content at a lesser price". I could be wrong but that's the sort of unwelcome, hostile attitude I'm percieving from you and cryspy.

Well, it´s easy ...
one can assume that the "production" of Sims 4 EPs costs the same for EA / MAxis (in time and money), as the production of Sims 3 EPs and costs the same as the production of Sims 2 EPs.
(an assumption that IMHO is well founded, as they need to develope every content for a different engine and also do different approaches, therefore resuse of codes and graphics will be minimal to non existant ).

(I would think differently if they would just reuse the old EPs and make them compatible to the newer version ... but even a cursory glance at, for example, University and Seasons in Sims 2 and 3 proves that this isn´ßt the case)

For this same reason, it is rather utopic, to expect (in higher Sims versions) more content for the same money ...
the incentives for players to buy new versions of Sims are not "more content" (in terms of more items) but rather different aproaches [like aging (Sims 2), open world (Sims 3) and, as it seems, emotions and multitasking (and maybe more) for Sims 4].


Nevertheless I would say that there has been a positive devlopment with regards to the prices of individual EPs ... EPs in Sims 2 would usually be sold in Brick & Mortar-Stores ... with only scant hope for any special sales.
In contrast to this, you have (at least with Steam) 2 major sales each year (i.e. summer and winter sale) where you can expect all EPs and SPs to be reduced by 25-75%.
(and AFAIK even Origin does special sales every couple of months ... although the price reduction AFAIK isn´t this big).
With other words, you never ever need to pay 100%, if you show just a little bit of patience ;)

[Derek]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย Retto Beere:

Stop calling them DLCs. Those are actually disc-based games sold in retailer stores (much like expansion packs of both the Sims 2 and 1). I've never heard anyone refering to The Sims: Hot Date or The Sims 2: Nightlife as DLCs, so there is no reason why The Sims 3: Late Night somehow becomes a money grabbing DLC. The real DLCs for the Sims 3 are those found in the Sims 3 store, which are much much more expensive.

The reason why people call them DLC is because Steam calls them DLC, and the reason why Valve, Steam calls them DLC is because they're contents that enhance the game which also is downloadable. As much it does bother me as well that people call them DLC, they're not entirely wrong. It's just that the meaning of DLC have become as something small and doesn't necessarily expand the game in any way, like the Sims expansion packs do, with their overload of content but that's the meaning us people have managed to affect, the way we use the words.

Again, as much it bothers me, they're actually entitled as DLC, if purchased through Steam and Origin.
The appropiate title however would be expansion pack, regardless.

[DetJohnKimblez]

โพสต์ดั้งเดิมโดย rawrieatchu01:

Anyone want to take guesses at how much the 4th game will cost once everything is out? I'm guessing around $700-$800.

$30 dollars for the Cat pack, $30 dollars for the dogs. Maybe you'll get Spring and Summer for $15, and winter and fall will be $17.50.

Sims 4 will be a brand new game running on a whole different engine with brand new technology and the pricing is no differance between eps and sp of the earlier versions. they have also stated maxis will be more involved on this time around. honestly if you cant afford a 60 dollar game i wonder how you eat and pay your bills every month. maybe you should set yourself a budget like 200 dollars a month on entertainment ? or just buy an ep here and there and wait for a sale? you dont have to buy everything day 1 its better to wait and see if there are any issues with the game cause people do make mistakes. the sims series is the only game with the EA title on it that i play. i think just cause someone doesnt agree with you must mean they are an EA fan boy. They have also stated the game can be played not connected to the internet and they are not realsing sp and ep quite as fast for Sims 4 so you will have more time to put money in your piggy bank.