Game keeps crashing but animations continue

[Fox]

I have almost all Nraas mods installed including Overwatch,Errortrap Mastercontroller,SP etc. But the crashing happens Allot like a few times a day. I don't remenber my specs but i know they are quite good. My pc costed a few thousand dollars and its relatively new so it's not the specs. I have storyprogression on extreme settings like no limit on town population and pregnancies happen every day on the game. But no lag. So i know it isn't that. And i was only on week 2 on the game. This has happend over 300 times in the past year and half of the time i didn't even have SP installed (SP meaning Story Progression) Ea obviously doesn't care just like how the sims4 is still bigged and likely will stay that was after they abandon it eventually after sims5 comes. They only care about money, but it isn't worth complaining about it because nobody listens anyway. I just want to know if there is ANY way i can reduce this crashing. I can get my specs later but i am not on PC right now. Is there any settings i can change routing to reduce stuck sims, or settings that increases how much ram the game uses etc? Does having the game on full graphics cause crashing as well? Even though my pc can handle the highest settings. Or is it because i have all game packs and stuff packs and 50k worth of simpoints of CC on the game? Including all of the CC worlds by EA.

[cruinne]

First, what do you mean that the game crashes but the animations keep going? A game crash would mean the game stops, and exits, and isn't running any more, so there couldn't be animations continuing. Maybe something else is happening?

Next, are you limiting the framerate through an external application, such as your video card control panel, or Riva Tuner? (you should be with a good system).

[Fox]

Originally posted by cruinne:

First, what do you mean that the game crashes but the animations keep going? A game crash would mean the game stops, and exits, and isn't running any more, so there couldn't be animations continuing. Maybe something else is happening?

Next, are you limiting the framerate through an external application, such as your video card control panel, or Riva Tuner? (you should be with a good system).

How do i find out if it id limiting? I always have FR in game on default. Also what i mean by crash is birds,trees,sounds and plumbibs keep going but you cannot move the camera and the time is frozen even though sound and stuff goes on. And you cannot save or press anything. The game is just stuck except SFX stuff like birds,trees still move but you have no choice but to exit the game with task manager

[cruinne]

Originally posted by Wolf:

How do i find out if it id limiting? I always have FR in game on default.

You'd know if you did because you have to do it intentionally - the game has no framerate control built in and so, on newer hardware, runs wild and tends to overheat the card. If your frame rate is higher than your monitor refresh rate, it's too high, and you need to lock it to match your screen's refresh rate.

Originally posted by Wolf:

Also what i mean by crash is birds,trees,sounds and plumbibs keep going but you cannot move the camera and the time is frozen even though sound and stuff goes on. And you cannot save or press anything. The game is just stuck except SFX stuff like birds,trees still move but you have no choice but to exit the game with task manager

When it freezes like this it's often a problem with the game getting overwhelmed with the amount of things going on in the game. You said that you have NRaas Overwatch installed - are you sure it's installed correctly and it's running? (You would get a message that it's running when the game starts up if it is.)

Also, what world are you playing? Some worlds (especially Isla Paradiso) have exceptional problems, and downloading a fixed version from a third party site sometimes helps. Example: https://modthesims.info/d/514909/islaparadiso-world-with-fixes-applied-update-2013-11-29.html

[Fox]

Originally posted by cruinne:

Originally posted by Wolf:

How do i find out if it id limiting? I always have FR in game on default.

You'd know if you did because you have to do it intentionally - the game has no framerate control built in and so, on newer hardware, runs wild and tends to overheat the card. If your frame rate is higher than your monitor refresh rate, it's too high, and you need to lock it to match your screen's refresh rate.

Originally posted by Wolf:

Also what i mean by crash is birds,trees,sounds and plumbibs keep going but you cannot move the camera and the time is frozen even though sound and stuff goes on. And you cannot save or press anything. The game is just stuck except SFX stuff like birds,trees still move but you have no choice but to exit the game with task manager

When it freezes like this it's often a problem with the game getting overwhelmed with the amount of things going on in the game. You said that you have NRaas Overwatch installed - are you sure it's installed correctly and it's running? (You would get a message that it's running when the game starts up if it is.)

Also, what world are you playing? Some worlds (especially Isla Paradiso) have exceptional problems, and downloading a fixed version from a third party site sometimes helps. Example: https://modthesims.info/d/514909/islaparadiso-world-with-fixes-applied-update-2013-11-29.html

All the Nraas mods are installed correctly. It just did the freeze again. always seems to happen on standard speed (default speed) I have the game minimized YET I STILL HEAR THE SOUNDS, I am using sunset valley and this happens allot. i think it could be to do with vehicles but then again i have Nraas Traffic installed and i changed it to where there are no Food trucks or anything and i set traffic delta to -500 so no useless taxis would spawn potentially causing issues. but this didn't fix it. the world has 200+ sims so idk if it could be that?? I will copy and paste my system in dxdiag in my next post. my graphics card is Razor 1050 or somthing i think so pretty much average with top graphics settings in game

[Fox]

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System Information
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Time of this report: 10/1/2020, 19:37:07
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DxDiag Notes
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Display Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 1: No problems found.
Sound Tab 2: No problems found.
Sound Tab 3: No problems found.
Input Tab: No problems found.

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DirectX Debug Levels
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Direct3D: 0/4 (retail)
DirectDraw: 0/4 (retail)
DirectInput: 0/5 (retail)
DirectMusic: 0/5 (retail)
DirectPlay: 0/9 (retail)
DirectSound: 0/5 (retail)
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[Fox]

Bump, Anyone please help? I posted my System info above if it helps

[Haeloth]

Cruinne mentioned this but I don't understand from your answer if you actually did it or not so here it goes.

1) You need to limit your framerate (FPS) to the refresh rate of your display. That is the most important thing you should do. If you do not do this just don't play the game. New NVIDIA drivers have the option to directly limit the FPS value to whatever you want in the NVIDIA Control Panel so limit the FPS of "TS3W.exe" to 60 FPS and enable VSYNC within the same panel. And after you do this go in game, press CTRL+Shift+C, type "fps on" and check if the value goes above 60. If it does go above 60, you didn't do it properly so check if it works again. (It can occasionally become 61-62 for a fraction of a second even if you did it correctly but that is fine. What is wrong is the FPS value going like 100-150-200-300 etc. At max, refresh rate needs to be around 60 FPS.)

It is also good to check if this still works after every NVIDIA driver update because sometimes it just forgets what you set in the previous driver.

If you don't limit your FPS, your CPU will overheat, you GPU will overheat and as a result both will throttle and as a result of this your performance will decrease and long time exposure to overheating can even burn your CPU.

2) Which world you are playing is important. Do not play in Isla Paradiso (which is the default if you have Island Paradise) The world alone is broken and if that is not enough boat routing also is not the best. And in this world you have to use boats at some point even ignoring all the other problems it has.

Bridgeport is also another problematic world. Just to mention.

3) I don't know if NRaas Traffic fixes the problem with Limos so just in case install "Nona's No Limos" mod. There can be like 30000 limos that Overwatch cleans up overnight and I am not exaggerating with that number.

4) Disable memory system because each of the 200 sims in your world constantly get memories and the game tries to keep track of everything and it becomes laggy after time.

5) Use NRaas Register to disable Wild Horses and Stray Cats and Dogs because they can cause routing issues which is the main reason of lag for this game.

6) Don't login with your TS3 account in-game because it makes the game laggy.

7) Don't use Interactive Loading Screens because it causes the game to use more memory after load up.

8) Check out https://www.nraas.net/community/TIPS-FOR-BETTER-GAME-PERFORMANCE for other small tips.

9) StoryProgression, while it is a good mod, can also cause lag in some situations. In the above link it mentions these:

-Story generation is governed by SP. If you think that's what's causing the lag, you can manage which stories you don't care to see with NRaas > SP > General Options > Options:Stories > Disallow Story

-If you would rather specify which sims the displayed stories should be about instead of their subject matter, it's NRaas > SP > General Options > All Stories

-Turn down SP's speed to one of the two slower ones, NRaas>SP >General Options > Adjust Speed (set to Slow or Snail).

If those three are not enough, I also increase the length of speed cycles. Most of them for me are like 1500-2000 sim minutes. It makes the SP barely work, but even barely working NRaas SP is better than EA SP .p

That's all from me. Good luck

[4K_240hz_MLED]

Originally posted by Haeloth:

1) You need to limit your framerate (FPS) to the refresh rate of your display. That is the most important thing you should do. If you do not do this just don't play the game.

If you don't limit your FPS, your CPU will overheat, you GPU will overheat and as a result both will throttle and as a result of this your performance will decrease and long time exposure to overheating can even burn your CPU.

No I don't limit the fps to 60HZ and I don't get any thermal throttling nor overheating. Max temp that most CPUs can handle is 100C, but as long as it's below 90C the OP won't ever have to worr about long term damage.

Of course, I do limit it to 120fps instead of allowing it to run over 250fps, and I do have all the essential mods along with the right configs and settings.

[Haeloth]

Originally posted by Down To The Ground:

Originally posted by Haeloth:

1) You need to limit your framerate (FPS) to the refresh rate of your display. That is the most important thing you should do. If you do not do this just don't play the game.

If you don't limit your FPS, your CPU will overheat, you GPU will overheat and as a result both will throttle and as a result of this your performance will decrease and long time exposure to overheating can even burn your CPU.

No I don't limit the fps to 60HZ and I don't get any thermal throttling nor overheating. Max temp that most CPUs can handle is 100C, but as long as it's below 90C the OP won't ever have to worr about long term damage.

Of course, I do limit it to 120fps instead of allowing it to run over 250fps, and I do have all the essential mods along with the right configs and settings.

If you check the DxDiag, the provided monitor is 60HZ so it doesn't matter to the eye if it's 500 FPS or 120 FPS or 60 FPS, but it still matters to the chip. Why make it run 60 FPS faster when you can not even see the results of that yourself?

I am a laptop user though, which is why I made that point. My laptop is not really efficient with its temps. Without undervolting both my CPU and GPU I am sure it would have burned already. If you are a desktop user it should be fine I guess (the last time I used a desktop was in 2004ish). And even if you are a desktop user and have the best cooling system in the world, why torture your CPU and GPU when it isn't necessary?

[4K_240hz_MLED]

Originally posted by Haeloth:

If you check the DxDiag, the provided monitor is 60HZ so it doesn't matter to the eye if it's 500 FPS or 120 FPS or 60 FPS, but it still matters to the chip. Why make it run 60 FPS faster when you can not even see the results of that yourself?

I know who cares that Nvidia Control Panel doesn't allow me to use vsync and triple buffering properly except for OpenGL programs. Who cares that getting higher fps actually reduces the screen tearing for Sims 3 for me and more frames results in less input lag regardless of the monitor's refresh rate right?

Your laptop must be really bad or have terrible cooling because I'm running on an entry level gaming laptop and I only have heating issues during the summer and for way worse unoptimized games like Goat Simulator.

[Haeloth]

ok