Was the climbing changed?

[DJ Walrino]

I beat this game a few months ago and you used to be able to reach pretty far... I just start playing again today and it seems like you can only inch your way up a wall now instead of swinging and reaching...

[DJ Walrino]

Originally posted by NoBrakesGames:

MAti, McShave07, did you try the "climbcheat"?

What is the climb cheat and how do you use it?

[McShave07]

Originally posted by NoBrakesGames:

MAti, McShave07, did you try the "climbcheat"?

I didn't know about this. I'll have to try it.

[0xFF6961]

Oh. I was just going through the code and found what he's referring to.

private void CheatClimb()
{
CheatCodes.climbCheat = !CheatCodes.climbCheat;
if (CheatCodes.climbCheat)
{
Shell.Print("climb cheats on");
}
else
{
Shell.Print("climb cheats off");
}
PlayerPrefs.SetInt("cheatClimb", (!CheatCodes.climbCheat) ? 0 : 1);
}

private void CheatThrow()
{
CheatCodes.throwCheat = !CheatCodes.throwCheat;
if (CheatCodes.throwCheat)
{
Shell.Print("throw cheats on");
}
else
{
Shell.Print("throw cheats off");
}
PlayerPrefs.SetInt("cheatThrow", (!CheatCodes.throwCheat) ? 0 : 1);
}

Dk what throw cheat is though. Basically type this:
Shell.RegisterCommand("climbcheat", new Action(this.CheatClimb), null);
Shell.RegisterCommand("throwcheat", new Action(this.CheatThrow), null);
in the developer shell and it should make your character able to climb and (throw??) again

[FlatHuman]

just type "climbcheat" in the shell

[DJ Walrino]

Originally posted by NoBrakesGames:

just type "climbcheat" in the shell

In the shell? Is that the main menu?

[whitekvs]

Originally posted by DJ Walrino:

Originally posted by NoBrakesGames:

just type "climbcheat" in the shell

In the shell? Is that the main menu?

Shell is the console that falls down when you pressing tilde key (` or ~)

[Gianni]

Is is possible to get achievements like the one with the bell in Castle without wall climbing?
I have watched several videos and they all use wall climbing.

Now I have just tried to activate the console - since I have no tildeon my keyboard layout I just pressed all the keys - to type climbcheat and after pressing a key on the numpad side I have been warned with a message like "Rec Cheats activated - Achievementsdisabled".

Is that how it's supposed to work, when you activate cheats are disabled?

[Luke]

Originally posted by Gianni:

Is is possible to get achievements like the one with the bell in Castle without wall climbing?
I have watched several videos and they all use wall climbing.

Now I have just tried to activate the console - since I have no tildeon my keyboard layout I just pressed all the keys - to type climbcheat and after pressing a key on the numpad side I have been warned with a message like "Rec Cheats activated - Achievementsdisabled".

Is that how it's supposed to work, when you activate cheats are disabled?

It's easy to get that achievment without wallclimbing lol

[Gianni]

Originally posted by Luke:

Originally posted by Gianni:

Is is possible to get achievements like the one with the bell in Castle without wall climbing?
I have watched several videos and they all use wall climbing.

Now I have just tried to activate the console - since I have no tildeon my keyboard layout I just pressed all the keys - to type climbcheat and after pressing a key on the numpad side I have been warned with a message like "Rec Cheats activated - Achievementsdisabled".

Is that how it's supposed to work, when you activate cheats are disabled?

It's easy to get that achievment without wallclimbing lol

Thank you for confirming this, I will try harder.

[kungfuman247]

Originally posted by FlatHuman:

All the grabbing behavior was rewritten as it had numerous problems - it was too difficult to pick items, push buttons, wind catapult, grab other people, sometimes you missed grabbing an edge while making parkour. The new behavior is more deterministic and should better align with player intentions than the old one... except for when you try to wall climb.

For those interested here is some backround of the wall-climb mechanics. First of all - it was not accidental or glitch or anything like that. It served a purpose of allowing player to recover when everything else fails - you were unable to solve the puzzle or find any alternative routes, your jump was a little bit short or physics state broke, etc. Essentially it's a "skip to next checkpoint" button, nothing more. Unfortunatelly some players were using this mechanics as their primary means of progressing through the game. Can you imagine how boring and tedious this game becomes if you play it this way?

Another issue - with the new grab algorithms it became much easier to do wallclimb than before, making the problem even bigger. It had to be nerfed to tell new players "this is a wrong way to play this game". It was a moral dilemma - should I limit something in a game where every solution is welcome? Or should I allow players ruining their experience because they've learned a game-breaking mechanics by accident?

For repeated runs of the game, as well as coop/multiplayer this is no longer true. Players simply want to explore or mess around, and walclimb becomes a valid strategy. This is why everyone who've read the above explanation is rewarded with a "climbcheat" :Coool:

What about those of us that own it on console? there is no shell we can access as far as i can tell, and no cheat section or button sequence i can find, i loved the game before the change, and don't get me wrong i still do but i played through the intended way of actually solving the puzzles or following your multiple set routes.
Then after being frustrated with my slow climbing on a second run and following achievement runs, i looked online to find that i could basically cat leap to cat vertically up the whole side of a vertical surface provided it is wide enough and not too varied in slope. To my excitement i could pull it off, and learned of the smooth moves trophy which just lead me to believe the climbing being so smooth was meant to be part of the whole experience.
I get that it is slightly game breaking/ ruining. but it's a sandbox essentially, and the fun i had with subsequent runs couldn't be matched, and all your trophies are fun and clever, and still totally do-able with the normal climb, i still like that climb, it feels rewarding to pull off a difficult route out of climbing around maybe unintended routes, but with only the slow climb to work with it can also be very painstaking and surprisingly fatiguing on the hands after long runs.
TL:DR Could you please consider adding a cheat section for console? Thanks! : D

[MuscleBearGamer]

You just necro'd a thread from 2017 dude .....

[Apathetic]

Originally posted by Ghost:

You just necro'd a thread from 2017 dude .....

leave him alone dude was probs in a coma for 3 years and just re opened steam.

[DJ Walrino]

please dont bring this thread back to life.. It needs to stay ded

[Luke]

Originally posted by DJ Walrino:

please dont bring this thread back to life.. It needs to stay ded

lol, this is how long i've been away from steam... for shame.

[Apathetic]

Originally posted by Luke:

Originally posted by DJ Walrino:

please dont bring this thread back to life.. It needs to stay ded

lol, this is how long i've been away from steam... for shame.

ahhhhhhh WHY WHY
"please dont bring this thread back to life.. It needs to stay ded" did you NOT read this.