Serious problem with climbing

[keybounce]

Climbing is just horrible in this game.



Imagine a mario game where when you jumped, you caught the ledge, and pulled yourself up automatically. Oh, wait, that's what happens.



Here? No. It's controller hell trying to get up after a jump.



Let me see if I can get you to understand just how hard it is. Not only is click-drag the worst UI design -- it is the opposite of what your muscles are designed to do -- but now you have to add in timing of "walk forward", "pull mouse", "release hands".



The game is controller hell. The game is basically mistaking "difficulty in getting the character to do what you want" with "making the game more interesting/challenging/difficult".



I'm on Mountain. The first three levels were interesting. Mountain ... it's all parkour timing, and then climb timing.



I'm 55. I don't have young wrists. After half an hour of trying to climb, time jumps, restart, restart, restart, etc -- I'm reading to give this game a "1" / "don't buy" review, just for this one issue.



**PLEASE**, If you must keep the current controller timing challenge, do so as an option, but give us something simpler as an option.



Let me try to explain what makes this so hard. To see the parkour timing / when to use jump, I have to look down; to grab the ledge after jumping, I have to look up. I have to do this while holding down both buttons and moving the mouse, and then move the mouse in the other direction while timing keys while not losing momentum.



This. Is. Not. Fun.

This. Is. Pain. Period. Physical. Pain. My wrist is hurting, and that means I have to stop for the night, and not play it tomorrow either.



Oh -- in an attempt to work around this pain, I tried "Spider man" wall crawling. Hold one hand, try to swing the body, grab the next hand, release, and alternate. It ... well, it needs some in-game support to actually work well. I can't make enough of a swing effect right now.

[JesseDaulby]

mouse and keyboard is better then controller. And if you are still having problems you can configure the controls in the option menu to better suit your play style.

[firefuji]

try lowering mouse senstivity

[PissythePanda]

I played with a controller originally, then my girlfriend wanted to play, so I opted to the keyboard and mouse so she would be able to play and the controls are simple as hell. I think they are tricky but I don't think that anything in this game makes it "harder", just has a learning curve and some people are just better at it than others. Just practice til you get good or find someone who is good to show you how to do it.

[Kynolin]

Hear me out keybounce.

Let me start with: I wouldn't play this game without turning the mouse sensitivity all the way up and the mouse smoothing all the way down. I highly recommend it if you're having trouble with moving up/down fast enough. This game isn't about being an elite sniper! Go crazy on the mouse sensitivity.

For me, that still feels really low in the sensitivity ballpark, but I like high mouse sensitivity. That being said, if you're not extremely comfortable with holding down both mouse buttons for an extended period of time, it will likely cause unpleasant fatigue. The developer did a great job with the controls. One button for each arm and then just move around. It's extremely simple yet fantastic. That's one of the main ingredients in this magical game. This is not without faults though.

Ok, now I'm going to change perspective. I'm turning 31 this month. I started playing games with a mouse when I was 6 playing Doom (around '93). I grew up using a mouse, doing wrist exercises, and spending a lot of my time trying to keep my arms/shoulders loose from all the computer time, as I work in IT for a living now too. This game has exhausted my wrist with holding down both mouse buttons. If you're a more casual gamer at 55? It's probably a lot worse. It's so much fun, but the arm/wrist/hand isn't well built for this type of motion for a long period of time.

If the mouse sensitivity or using a controller doesn't help? Maybe it's time to try to play around with keybinds that your wrists are ok with. For instance: Let your mouse hand be your mouse hand, and then maybe try to bind left hand to CTRL and right hand to ALT. That would at least still let you move around with your three main fingers on the left hand. (I haven't tried this type of layout, just trying to suggest different things.)

Anyways, the game's controls aren't horrible. The human body is horrible at doing what we love, which it wasn't designed to do. Best of luck.

Edit: A good friend who's about to turn 50 has told me that she and her husband have had to move towards trackballs. They're the ones you control with your fingers (not your thumb) with the buttons on the sides. Maybe that could be an alternate option too.

[Puntato]

Opprinnelig skrevet av Zuko:

When it comes to PC, some games work best with keyboard and mouse while others work best with a controller. This is a game where you want a controller. If you don't have one, buy one. Mine costed about $30, but you can get them between $8 and $12 too in some stores.

This game was ♥♥♥♥ for me with a controller, controls were horrible. Keyboard and mouse is great on this.

[joridiculous]

Agree with the climbing parts.
pull up is easy, jump-grab-pull up is easy.
Side ways? Works, if you only wants to go down.
climb up? works good if you want to go down!
Cant get the arms ever to lift high again after letting one go, and then to actually make it grab hold again is a one in a million shot.

[ㄥㄥΛ M Λ]

grab on to the wall and start swinging left to right and keep climbing pretty simple

[Izo the Butcher]

lol u have 2.5 hours of gameplay...it just takes practise. i think its hard for everyone at first including me but after only 10 hours of gameplay i can now beat castle in less than 2 minutes by using advanced climbinb techniques. i have the game on a different account btw.

[Dankheart]

This is actually pretty funny and relatable. I just got my mom who is 58 to play the game. I had already checked it out before hand using a controller so I plugged in another to the steam link and booted up some couch coop. She was a bit slow to pick up the controls as expected for a non gamer, but things were going fine untill we got to Mountain. the funny thing is she just can't seem to understand climbing. Like you she gets the idea of what she needs to do control wise, but she just can't do it consistently. I managed to get her through, but it took literal HOURS of salt on that one level. She never got too good at climbing quickly. Props because she percevied, and we beat through Water though.

The thing is I actually LOVE the controls. When I tested it out I was jumping around the training area in Mountain loving it and figuring out how things work. That tutorial vid about getting high and yoga makes me chuckle too.

[joridiculous]

Opprinnelig skrevet av llama:

grab on to the wall and start swinging left to right and keep climbing pretty simple

Doesnt work. re-grabbing with hand doesnt grab the wall. Also swingin havent gotr any hand higher then what it was before i let go, or the hand still grabbing.

[joridiculous]

Godamn. Why does the stupid figure MOVE when you spin the camera around? idiotic!

[WissyMeisteri]

I do not see what is the problem here with the climbing, i played the game trough twice, explored most of the maps too, i never had a problem with climbing.

[Hugh Egg]

mouse and keyboard.
you look up and hold both mouse buttons to reach up.
you jump to grab the ledge.
you look down to lift yourself up.
you release mouse buttons.

its pretty easy. you dont need to strain your wrists. maybe you need to change the sensitivity in your controls in the options.

[joridiculous]

Opprinnelig skrevet av New Eggs:

mouse and keyboard.
you look up and hold both mouse buttons to reach up.
you jump to grab the ledge.
you look down to lift yourself up.
you release mouse buttons.

its pretty easy. you dont need to strain your wrists. maybe you need to change the sensitivity in your controls in the options.

That is not the problem. Its the "free" climbing.

[Dankheart]

Opprinnelig skrevet av joridiculous:

Opprinnelig skrevet av New Eggs:

mouse and keyboard.
you look up and hold both mouse buttons to reach up.
you jump to grab the ledge.
you look down to lift yourself up.
you release mouse buttons.

its pretty easy. you dont need to strain your wrists. maybe you need to change the sensitivity in your controls in the options.

That is not the problem. Its the "free" climbing.

You really never have to climb completely flat surfaces nor does that make sense. There is "free" climbing and I agree it is hard, and I usually only do it when I miss a ledge by a few inches, but it CAN be done. If you're at the point that the swinging type climbing specifically is making you rage, you should be looking for another path forward. Or I am missunderstanding something greater.