How historicly acurate are factions such as Germania, Dacia, and Scythia

[ThePursuer78]

I have read bits about them but i havent encounter a specific power i have only seen seperate tribes

[tanpopo ♡]

very highly innacurate. Don't expect much from Vanilla Rome Total War when it comes to historical gameplay. Look to mods if that's what you're after.

[ThePursuer78]

Originally posted by Yuki:

very highly innacurate. Don't expect much from Vanilla Rome Total War when it comes to historical gameplay. Look to mods if that's what you're after.

I was pretty sure it was but i was just checking

[Khorps]

germania was nowhere near the balkans in the 5th century BC, Dahae should be part of Scythia, other than that they represent less independent states and more cultures than anything

EDIT: ♥♥♥♥ i just mistook this for the alexander forum

but i suppose the latter part of my statement still applies

[Anderson]

Originally posted by Khorps:

germania was nowhere near the balkans in the 5th century BC, Dahae should be part of Scythia, other than that they represent less independent states and more cultures than anything

EDIT: ♥♥♥♥ i just mistook this for the alexander forum

but i suppose the latter part of my statement still applies

Not really, Dahae were a thing of thier own. Geto-Dacians were more akin to Thracians and had a lot of Greek cultural influences together with Celtic influences in there too.

[Myrmidon]

Europa Barbaroum is very well researched. A lot of the total conversions for Rome I were made by large teams of professional historians at PhD level so they are of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ incredible standard.

[Anderson]

Originally posted by Myrmidon:

Europa Barbaroum is very well researched. A lot of the total conversions for Rome I were made by large teams of professional historians at PhD level so they are of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ incredible standard.

Anyone knows why Europa Barbarorum had a tendency to crash to desktop? That really bothered me in R:TW.
I do not know if they fixed this in Medieval 2 with Europa Barbarorum II.

[Myrmidon]

Originally posted by Anderson:

Originally posted by Myrmidon:

Europa Barbaroum is very well researched. A lot of the total conversions for Rome I were made by large teams of professional historians at PhD level so they are of a ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ incredible standard.

Anyone knows why Europa Barbarorum had a tendency to crash to desktop? That really bothered me in R:TW.
I do not know if they fixed this in Medieval 2 with Europa Barbarorum II.

Total conversions and very particularly Europa Barbaroum are notoriously difficult to get working. The most likely explanation is that you've done something wrong because you followed all of the steps and instructions literally rather than interpretatively.

The modders are absolutely terrible for this, they'll deliberately put steps in the wrong order, miss out steps, completely ommit essential information. I've literally never got a total conversion mod working by following the modders instructions only through painstaking searches of youtube and forums for advice from non-modders.

I remember when I eventually found a video that allowed me to get it working years ago it was literally nothing like the modders instructions, literally there was no resemblences what so ever. I just really don't understand why they do this. They give their own time, they don't get paid, why make it impossible for people to access their brilliant work?

[{COR}Lucian{K-IV}]

medi eval total war two mods seem to work better, u really need to know how to mod switch, or hope they created a bat. or trust a random install

[apjc21]

It's actually quite accurate, bearing in mind it has to start somewhere in that ever changing World. N. Africa is a given as Carthage and Numidia then Egypt. East of Egypt it depends on time, you could easily be storming Judean Jerusalem. The Selucid / Pontic / Ptolemy Egypt states were formed by Alexanders generals dividing those lands he overran. Parthians were very dangerous even to Romans, similar to Mongols of a later age. Before we go North there is a major power overlooked, decided the Pelopensian War and the Carthagian war. As for the North, where are the Goths, Ostro and Visi were well known to the Romans. But the Greeks, probably Athens, considered everything North as Keltae - Barbaric. Macedonians / Thracians, and the Romans did the same, anything outside their domain was Celtic. The Romans did refer to certain areas as Gaul / Briton / Germania, none of the tribes living there would know what it meant.

[Xautos]

Germania as you know it is a collection of Germanic tribes that settled between modern day Netherlands all the way through to the other side of Poland. for the most part they are Germanic, but as tribes they fought each other as much as they fought the Roman threat. But even with that said, these Germanic tribes can be very deadly when coordinated and planned well, and one of the most famous or infamous battles is: the Battle of Teutoburg Forest.

A Germanic officer who acquired Roman citizenship was under the command of Varus. Arminius had no love for his Roman overlords and planned with the tribes on a perfect ambush that cut down one of the most advanced Roman armies in the world at the time. The Romans never had the will or the ability to challenge the Germanic tribes after such a defeat.


The Geto-Dacians were just a country that formed part of modern day Romania and Moldova. the various leaders at that time expanded on the territory over time, but it was never unified until Burebista came into the picture and managed to unify it all. After his death the country reverted to where it was before and the Romans swept in and conquered them.


The Scythians had a massive empire that spread over most of modern Russia and former soviet bloc countries. the Scythians launched an attack by going through Thracia so they can hit the Macedonians, the Scythian king Ateas fell and the attack failed. it was one of the main turning points but the second such turning point was the failed Macedonian counter attack and later the Thracian and Sarmartian attacks that knocked the Scythians out of the fight for good, they were practically defanged after that.

[apjc21]

Interesting feature of this game is it's awareness of what would eventually lead to the collapse of the Roman empire. The almost constant Westward push of Eastern barbarians. For a long time the World did actually revolve around the Meditterean and the Euphrates / Tigris axis. Then what we / they called Germanic started to spread across the North under pressure from Dacian tribes moving away from the Scythian threat. Who in turn were under pressure from the Hunnic group, both of whom are considered Mongol tribes. Throw in the Vandals and Lombards what game could cope with that.

[Xautos]

There were no Mongols until almost thousand after years the starting events in RTW. back then it was all chinese nomads called the Ziongnu, and the thousand years between? Chinese infighting was far more common than the threat of the Scythians or Sarmatians (but it is speculated that it was all Xiongnu, being Nomadic steppe tribes). Eventually it all came to a point where outright warfare was the option over that time as Chinese dynasties rose and fell like: Liao, Han, Tang, Song and so on.


The Huns weren't in the picture until after the events of RTW. They might have been Scythians (on the Sarmatian side) but the empire they knew was already dead at that point due to massive infighting and the Macedonian and Thracian attacks a few centuries earlier. they never recovered. The Huns obviously left to forge their own future but just as they rose as a power, they were taken out just as fast, as the Huns only lasted for 200 years at most, but the flashpoint of their power was Atilla and after his time they fell in on themselves at a rapid rate.


The Vandals were one of the most successful Germanic tribes to of accomplished much, moving out of of modern day Poland to settle in North Africa, conquering Roman islands and sacking Rome as well but their empire fell apart when the East Romans overtook their armies. Like the Huns, they weren't in the picture until after RTW.


The Lombards as you know them are a native tribe from somewhere in Sweden and were called the Winnili. The Winnili moved across the sea into Germania, helped setup the Suebi and then moved down and around the mountains and ended up conquering the devastated former Romans who no longer had anything going for them after Alaric had his way and the Vandals who came a century after. The Lombards setup a large empire in most of Italy, but ultimately they were destroyed by the Carolingians in the north and the Normans a few centuries later on.

The Important thing to note is the Suebi was founded a century before the decline of the Roman empire which puts it over the half way point in this game. however the Suebi didn't gain traction for several centuries before they started taking old Roman territory.

[Anderson]

Barbarian Invasion is more accurate than the barbarians featured in vanilla R:TW.

[Jambie Lionheart]

Originally posted by Myrmidon:

Originally posted by Anderson:

Anyone knows why Europa Barbarorum had a tendency to crash to desktop? That really bothered me in R:TW.
I do not know if they fixed this in Medieval 2 with Europa Barbarorum II.

Total conversions and very particularly Europa Barbaroum are notoriously difficult to get working. The most likely explanation is that you've done something wrong because you followed all of the steps and instructions literally rather than interpretatively.

The modders are absolutely terrible for this, they'll deliberately put steps in the wrong order, miss out steps, completely ommit essential information. I've literally never got a total conversion mod working by following the modders instructions only through painstaking searches of youtube and forums for advice from non-modders.

I remember when I eventually found a video that allowed me to get it working years ago it was literally nothing like the modders instructions, literally there was no resemblences what so ever. I just really don't understand why they do this. They give their own time, they don't get paid, why make it impossible for people to access their brilliant work?

It probably isn't entirely the modders doing. Rome Total War has has various patches applied since then. Most of the total conversions probably just needs to be tweaked and/or remade to truly work properly and more easily.

[apjc21]

I wasn't suggesting all the tribes that eventually destroyed Rome and Byzantium should be included in this game. Just pointing out that the major threat to every European, Indian and Chinese civilisation came from the nomadic steppe tribes. Constantinoble fell ro the East not West. Avars, Bulgars and Sassinids didn't just appear from nowhere these are the usual suspects, I.E. Dacian / Scythian / Parthian. Same tribes given new names as they're under new management. Trying to state factually who is who is a fools game. To call British let alone Americans, Anglo Saxon is a nonsense. Briton - Norwegian and Swedish settlers in N & NW, Danes in the whole East, Angles & Saxons in the South. Then a Norman ( norseman ) settled in France to protect their shores, defeats the last Saxon king. Cant remember the quote but it goes something like " America is the bstard child of an inbred continent ". Had to take out an a as it's not permissable :-)