its possible play as good?+ saving family?

[☆☆☆ GOLD ☆☆☆]

i mean, i need thieving and stolen much time

[Arashi]

you can report tenants and take their belongings afterwards instead of stealing.

[Skirlasvoud]

Most evictions aren't "Good" though, with the possible of Manishek, the sailor perhaps and the insane volunteer.

Yes, yes it is possible to play as good GOLD. You need to exploit the system a bit though.

http://steamcommunity.com/app/475550/discussions/0/224446614458952144/

Take as MUCH time as you need starting the main questline if there's not a timer. Put it all in spying on your tenants and writing reports.

- Blackmail Manishek before you report him.
- Find the doctor a bride in Sarah Watermach, then find out she's a wanted fellon before she kills the doctor. Don't tell him she's an imposter. Report her, take the bounty on her. In the end, the doctor will give you the tickets worth 5000 dollars. Keep them for later, but you could sell them.
- Blackmail the Sailor/Boson for all his crimes. Jeans, Soda, Foreign Music, Foreign salt and as of the new patch, crying. That's 5000 dollars and he's a pretty shifty dude who will sell you rotten food and then try to squeeze YOU out of the money.
- Accept his quest to sell the rotten fish for him. Give it to the merchant. Then, when the sailor threatens you, offer him to take along the Shimmers when they try to flee the country. (Shimmers always die...)
- Buy 5 blue ties in the beginning and Blackmail the Raneks (The archivarus and his wife). When you've helped the Shimmers, the Raneks will blackmail you 3000 dollars. Get payback before they do.
-Squeeze a little more out of the Shimmers and blackmail them for the blue tie they own. They have the money. They're just not willing to share it. Blackmail them only ONCE though.
- Help the insomniac girl out by buying her everything she needs. She'll give you more money than you will spend.
- Help the resistance. Report the printing guy though, cause he's a government agent and the government won't actually arrest him. DON'T report that he's a double agent to the resistance, or it will kill your wife by accident. When your little girl gets sick a second time, the resistance will give you the medicine.
- Tell the lottery winner to invest in berries/apples.


Also, don't start your sons quest where he asks for 15.000 dollars for tuition until later. It always starts after he asks you for money for the date, which you can do. It's the one quest in the game that will never expire.

I've at least always been able to save my daughter without resorting to evil deeds and doing good by everyone in my appartment. I'm still looking for a way to give my son the 15.000 (haven't started that quest yet), but I'm doing well so far.

[Barleyman]

At least with the latest patch Patrick got kicked out of the school without me talking to him when he had that date exclamation mark or afterwards. I just got the note from the goverment "pay xxxx for fees plus boy goes to mines".

I didn't realize the mole got my wife killed! I thought it was because of something else.. It was glitched because I never got the funeral for her.

[Skirlasvoud]

Originally posted by Ohramies:

At least with the latest patch Patrick got kicked out of the school without me talking to him when he had that date exclamation mark or afterwards. I just got the note from the goverment "pay xxxx for fees plus boy goes to mines".

I didn't realize the mole got my wife killed! I thought it was because of something else.. It was glitched because I never got the funeral for her.

That is... unfortunate. I'm in the process of finding out if I can raise enough money regardless. :/

And the reasons for your wife dying are actually horribly unrelated. If you report the double agent, the Resistance manages to turn the protest into a stampede... that trampels your wife. Yep. She'll step out into the street for some fresh air... and gets trampled.
If you don't report the double agent, the protest fails and your wife is fine.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by Ohramies:

At least with the latest patch Patrick got kicked out of the school without me talking to him when he had that date exclamation mark or afterwards.

Oh I didn't know they changed that. This makes the early game even more harder as that means you now need to make 60k+ in the early game instead of 25k+ in order to pay for both Martha and Patrick.

That basically means the only way to make enough money is to abuse the hell out of the blackmail mechanic unless the devs have made significant changes to other parts of the game as well. But I guess it kind of make sense since they throw out a ez mode.

[Skirlasvoud]

Originally posted by Arashi:

Originally posted by Ohramies:

At least with the latest patch Patrick got kicked out of the school without me talking to him when he had that date exclamation mark or afterwards.

Oh I didn't know they changed that. This makes the early game even more harder as that means you now need to make 60k+ in the early game instead of 25k+ in order to pay for both Martha and Patrick.

That basically means the only way to make enough money is to abuse the hell out of the blackmail mechanic unless the devs have made significant changes to other parts of the game as well. But I guess it kind of make sense since they throw out a ez mode.

The patch HAS added a few things to make it easier though. Tenants have a lot more reportable traits now and the bonus is higher. Lots of new directives, like crying and especially reading, are so commonly done by certain tenants that there's a lot more to blackmail them with.

The poor sailor/boson alone i've managed to blackmail for 6.000 dollars alone.

That AND illegal wear are now worth more. Pair of Jeans? Up from 400 something to 2.100 on the black market.


I'm at the point where I've got Aloisius, the Raneks, the Sailor and the Schimmers living in my appartment. I've left Sarah standing out in the rain for 2 weeks now, waiting for me to tell Aloisius and have yet to accept the quest to evict the Schimmers, effectively freezing progress.

I've earned 22.000 dollars, with a possible 3.500 dollars more if I choose to rob the sailor.


I think, that if I progress the game now, I can make it: putting both the boy to school and healing the girl.

The patch has also raised the bounty on Sarah and buying the Insomniac girl a gun is now cheaper. Think I just might manage that 35.000 to do both.

[Arashi]

I never said it's not doable. I simply theorized that after patch blackmailing becomes even more important if the player wants to make money to pay for both Martha and Patrick. Judging from your decscription you are doing exactly just that. And you forgot to consider that Patrick needs another 20k shortly after the 15k unless they have changed that as well.

Overall I would still say early game post-patch is harder than early game pre-patch.

[Diakonov]

Originally posted by Arashi:

I never said it's not doable. I simply theorized that after patch blackmailing becomes even more important if the player wants to make money to pay for both Martha and Patrick. Judging from your decscription you are doing exactly just that. And you forgot to consider that Patrick needs another 20k shortly after the 15k unless they have changed that as well.

Overall I would still say early game post-patch is harder than early game pre-patch.

That would mean the game effectively forces you to choose wich child to save

[Arashi]

Originally posted by Hyrenapth:

That would mean the game effectively forces you to choose wich child to save

Not necessarily, there are still ways to make enough money for both. For example skirlasvoud mentioned how a player can freeze game progress at certain points and mass blackmail for megabucks. Those kind of tactics already existed pre-patch.

The game can't force the player to choose between Martha and Patrick if the player knows what he/she is doing. Unless the devs choose to further patch it.

In the end you can still pay for both of them. It's just more tedious post-patch.

[darklight_catcher]

Originally posted by Arashi:

I never said it's not doable. I simply theorized that after patch blackmailing becomes even more important if the player wants to make money to pay for both Martha and Patrick. Judging from your decscription you are doing exactly just that. And you forgot to consider that Patrick needs another 20k shortly after the 15k unless they have changed that as well.

Overall I would still say early game post-patch is harder than early game pre-patch.

Unless you give him the cruise tickets.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by darklight_catcher:

Unless you give him the cruise tickets.

Pretty sure giving Patrick cruise tickets doesn't end well for him pre-patch. The best option is to give the cruise tickets to the Schimmers. Not sure about post-patch but I assume it would be the same.

[Skirlasvoud]

I forgot about the money Sarah gives you, and her bounty. I've just had her arrested during the wedding and I'm at 37.000 dollars, with another 2.100 possible for robbing the Boson.

Originally posted by Arashi:

Originally posted by darklight_catcher:

Unless you give him the cruise tickets.

Pretty sure giving Patrick cruise tickets doesn't end well for him pre-patch. The best option is to give the cruise tickets to the Schimmers. Not sure about post-patch but I assume it would be the same.

Hhhmmm. Are those cruise tickets cursed?

You can ship the Schimmers off with the Boson, but I've already seen that their coal barge then sinks and they die.
From what I've READ, the same happens when you just give them the cruise tickets.

If the Schimmers die anyway, it's best to either give the tickets to Patrick, or sell them. I didn't know that giving Patrick the Cruise tickets meant death too. Is giving Patrick the 20.000 always the best option?

I'm going to see what happens when I give them to the Schimmers, or to Patrick, to confirm what happens... I mean, if the Schimmers are safe when giving them the cruise tickets, I'm pretty much oblidged to give it to them to make sure I'm doing the "good" thing, right?


You can wonder whether mass blackmail or robbing the sailor can be considered "good", but ♥♥♥♥ it! The Mareks and the Sailor blackmail me too, and are even likely to kill me when I don't watch my back, so I consider those three tenants fair game for blackmail and robbery.

I've not blackmailed either Shpack or the Schimmers because they've always been kind to me. In fact, pre-patch, the Schimmers move out after even blackmailing them once!

[FragLeg]

I saved my family post-patch by:

Giving Patrick money for the date and flowers (520)
Not paying for the university (2k fine)
Giving Patrick the cruise tickets
He sent me a postcard how awesome it is there

Martha by giving the medicine (20k + 15k or free) and the apple (480). I did not install the heater.

I couldn't send the Schimmers to the Bosun though, likely to a bug. I had the cruise tickets quest finished before the canned fish quest one. This seemed to mess up things. I told the sailor that I would make up for it by sending the Schimmers to him, but then couldn't tell the Schimmers to go to the sailor, the only option I had were for the cruise tickets.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by skirlasvoud:

From what I've READ, the same happens when you just give them the cruise tickets.

That's a lie that started by god knows who. I am not sure if there could be a scenario where giving the Schimmers cruise tickets results in them dying but I can guarantee that if you did everything right giving Schimmers cruise tickets will save them and they will help you save money at end game.

Originally posted by skirlasvoud:

If the Schimmers die anyway, it's best to either give the tickets to Patrick, or sell them. I didn't know that giving Patrick the Cruise tickets meant death too. Is giving Patrick the 20.000 always the best option?

The thing is the Schimmers CAN be saved. As far as I know giving Patrick the cruise ticket doesn't kill him but you don't get the best ending for him. I think it's always better to give it to the Schimmers then giving it to your son.

Originally posted by skirlasvoud:

I mean, if the Schimmers are safe when giving them the cruise tickets, I'm pretty much oblidged to give it to them to make sure I'm doing the "good" thing, right?

As I said there is no if. The Schimmers will be saved if you did everything right. So yes you are obligated to give it to them if you want to do the 'good' thing.

Originally posted by skirlasvoud:

You can wonder whether mass blackmail or robbing the sailor can be considered "good", but ♥♥♥♥ it! The Mareks and the Sailor blackmail me too, and are even likely to kill me when I don't watch my back, so I consider those three tenants fair game for blackmail and robbery.

Don't get me wrong I am not against blackmailing. In fact I think it's impossible to get the best ending without blackmailing someone to earn enough money unless you use the infinite rep exploit. I am just saying that the player probably would need to blackmail more post-patch in order to pay for both Martha and Patrick.

[Arashi]

Originally posted by FragLeg:

He sent me a postcard how awesome it is there

Pretty sure at the back of the postcard he tells you he had no money and life is terrible at the new place. That's why giving cruise tickets to Patrick is not the best idea.