Where has the "manual" gone?

[UNA, GRANDE Y LIBRE]

On "normal" editions of Titan Quest/Immortal Throne there were several manuals. I just removed old versions and installed new on. So I go and see my old shortsuts for manuals are now gone. OK, I go searching for the "anniversary edition" and... there are no more than 1 for modding.

Is there any way to get a manual or should I have to REINSTALL old 2 versions, copy the .pdf's and then remove them both again?

Regards.

[[E.Ǝ] Serial]

Hi, http://www.replacementdocs.com/download.php?view.4487 for TQ and http://www.replacementdocs.com/download.php?view.5980 for IT :)
Only found it in english :/

[Elgar]

Guys, there is a direct link to the manual on the store page of both Titan Quest and Immortal Throne...

It's the "View the manual" link on the right.

[[E.Ǝ] Serial]

Elgar eredeti hozzászólása:

Guys, there is a direct link to the manual on the store page of both Titan Quest and Immortal Throne...

It's the "View the manual" link on the right.

Well I've learned another thing on steam today, thanks :)

[UNA, GRANDE Y LIBRE]

Thanks.

So, yes, no need to REDOWNLOAD old versions again, just going to store page. They could add those links the same way old versions are to Anniversary one.

Yes, I am of those who LIKES to read manuals...

Only missing thing is the TQTechTree.pdf.

The manuals were on my own language, so it differentiates between Steam language version and associates to manual language version as well.

[Doggy]

Great to hear.I hate all the arrogant players they dont need to read manual (in very complex games too like stellaris,Hearts of Iron ect.) and mean they are so clever and know all about a game.
A manuasl must be standard in EVERY game !!!!! When i buy a game i will understand ALL gamemechanics,that is only possible with a manual.

But in this modern age you find so many blind arrogant fanboys they will defend every mess! That is the reason why so many newer games have so a poor quality.....the devs knows very well to find enough blind fanboys they will accept every unfinished (no manual is unfinished for me or the game itself) mess and buy such games.

TQ is not so complex but i think when i buy a game a manual must be a part of every game.

So poor to beg in modern games for such a standard like a manual!

[UNA, GRANDE Y LIBRE]

As an "offtopic". In "paper era" the manuals were long (60+ pages sometimes), colour, etc. Then, it was "expensive", so they reduced number of pages, B/W... Then PDF appeared, and some manuals were on paper+pdf. Then only pdf, but being in PDF were short, no colour, even only the "default keys" (most absurd thing ever...) and finally, not even pdf manual. That is not for reducing costs, in digital distribution no paper can be "downloaded". But then, again, no manual, nothing... Some games really do not need them, as they have good tutorials and INGAME manuals, but, anyway, OI like to read what I am going to do.

In the TQ Anniversary my doubt was because on "normal" editions there were them, and I could not find on the Anniversary one. They should add them as in "regular" old versions, but manual is there. Let's thank there are manuals...

(I remember the NWN ones, that made the game box wighted double than without manual... or even KOTORs...).

[VeilStrider]

Since when did manual become standard?

Never have I read a manual to finish the game...

I'm all for manuals added to this game if possible, but it doesn't mean it is a necessary.

[UNA, GRANDE Y LIBRE]

Since the beginning of videogames, maybe?

Of course it is not mandatory. But they were there then. Maybe the cause or the effect of nowadays so simple and driven games can be that...


PS: Just imagine Star Citizen without any "manual" or info... XDXDXD

[DedZedNub]

Time to resurrect this thread.

No, there is no way to get a manual anymore via the Steam Store Pages of any of the Titan Quest versions.

No, you cannot find it via using the Browser version to access Steam either.

Time to get a manual link up, developers, if you don't mind.

The old manual will be pretty accurate and were very good. The problem may be that now someone may decide we have a "publisher rights issue". That's mostly absurd since the game benefits from a manual. It should be easy to strike out the logs in the pdf files if it comes to that.

So that means, there are not the two Tech Tree pdfs for each game (TQ and/or IT) and there are not the two Manuals (for TQ and IT -- aka Titan Quest and Immortal Throne).

[DedZedNub]

In the interim, to answer the "why have a manual?" question:

Games that require a lot of thought to play or to build a character, the second of which is certainly true of TQAE, should always have a manual. A good manual allows one to plan and research the game when you cannot play it, it does not require you to play through the tutorial, and it can even add to the game or become a collectors edition.

But the main reason you need to RTFM (as we used to say) is because you can always depend on some idiot to remove them for no good reason. Gee, that just happened.

So, Coco was ... absolutely right. It's amazing how we old people are almost always right sooner or later. You getting this in BOLD TEXT, whippersnapper? (No, then use your bleepin imagination)

I posted in the current main Tech Support thread for 1.5 how my work is doing something just as stupid, but certainly more dangerous. It's trying to go with all route sheets as being only available to download on the fly with no flash, no in memory, no paper back-up. It has been up for 6 months and generally fails 90% of the time.

There was also a bank that decided to go against the tried and true -- remember when that was a common phrase, no I guess you would not -- and switch to a new computer system without the old system running in parallel as a back-up. This genius idea happened in the late 1980s, I believe. It failed and they could not take new deposits or do any transactions, even manually or on the old system (since it was gone) for several months. They went belly up. Imagine that.

Manuals serve as a permanent resource to you. Say your pc is down. Well you still have your manual. Say your cat pees on the keyboard, you still have your manual back-up, without the stank. (When Grandma says to put the cat out, get up and put the cat out, will ya?) Say you want to remember what calculations actually go into poison damage or when and how often something should trigger and apply (ya, the stupid "proc" term for proceeds or process -- what a disease are abbreviations), the manuals or the readme files always explained those things in TQ series.

Not anymore. No some great genius, probably under the age of 35, decided it was time to remove them. Great, so fans who can't yet buy it, can't read about it, can't see the cool pics with explanations of the interface pointing to everything. You can't just look at a diagram and go, wow looks like these guys know how to explain things, the devs look logical, the game seems to make sense at a glance -- because Steam is overloaded, because the internet is down and you can't afford your cable this week, because you trusted some guy who never lived when the first man landed on the moon.

No, we live in the age when the Blue Screen has a lil smiley face on it trying to make you feel all is well, where the government says they need more money than last year to solve a problem that they just threw more money at the year before (and before and before for over 50 years). No, that isn't solving a problem, that's institutionalizing your failed approach. If you are solving hunger, less people are hungry every year, so you don't need more money next year because they know how to feed themselves and the farms are up and running. If you actually are using the Transportation budget correctly, you have enough bridge inspectors to actually keep up with knowing which are needing repair and the people to repair them on time. But we don't because the worthless bureacrat was allowed to skim off huge amounts off the top and convince the younglings that the bigger the budget, the more you are doing. When in reality, the bigger the budget, the more you failed to fix the problem the year before and the more ridiculous is the pay that you are throwing at the guys who claimed they fixed it the year before. (So, drop the apathy fakery and throw the bums out ... no a lousy text ain't going to suffice. Hmm, how to say, it is your money so throw a fit. Ok, glad you understand now)

Point is, it's stupid. You want the explanation in depth because it proves that there is an in-depth explanation. How many modern games have borked tutorials, or incomplete ones. Many. Why not have a manual? It serves to educate the potential buyer and it also proves the developer knows enough to find keys on his keyboard, which is important given everybody and his lil brother now make early access games on Steam.

The same moron who is trusting in Early Access and finding out every second game is not finished in EA, is the same moron who is saying ... what do you need a manual for. To prove that the EA dev has got the goods and to prove to you that the game is as deep as you need it to be while having a common sense GUI and game system. You aren't really trusting guys on the internet without that, are you? Seriously?

The purpose of this rant is to remind people that without the written word, one little meteor, could wipe out the complete knowledge of civilization and slap us back to the level of hunter gatherers since nothing is written down to survive the EMP blast.

Any fool who depends solely on electronic devices is going to be in a world of hurt when there are no more batteries and no more electricity, even if that is only temporary.

If someone doesn't care enough about their own blood, sweat, and tears creation to actually write down how it works to those fans they hope will use it -- doesn't really care enough to organize and copy those cheat-cheat notes on their wrist and the nearby cafe's napkins to get anything worthwhile done.

Just a thought spoken to entertain old people who currently have arthritis in their fingers from whoopin on younglings for the last three days online. You know you are out there, stop playing multi-player long enough to admit that grandma was right and you should rest long enough to put some Ben-Gay on it before you ruin the dreams of another 15 year old. Besides, only Grandma can make that peach cobbler taste right, and you won't get any if you don't mow that lawn, middle aged dude, and she needs you to throw that 15 year old out of the kitchen in order to bake it. Oh, and you can't depend on that 15 year old to mow the lawn for you, because, he didn't RTFM on how to start the lawn mower.

{Remember this is partly meant to be in-fun, partly not. C'est la vie. Paris is burning. Oh, nevermind :) }

[artki]

Elgar eredeti hozzászólása:

Guys, there is a direct link to the manual on the store page of both Titan Quest and Immortal Throne...

It's the "View the manual" link on the right.

It's not there anymore.
Also, they're not on the Replacement Docs site either.