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1. I need to know if everything is blowing well with Beth Wilder.
No idea. Hopefully, he'll come back for her as promised.
2. Martin Hatch survived ... How ... is he evil? or not...
Yes, he definitely is evil. At least, if you call someone who wants time to end evil. Martin Hatch, if you've found his last note left to you unsigned, reveals to you that he's a full-blown Shifter. He is what Paul Serene would've become if you hadn't killed Paul in the end. This unsigned note is placed in the stage where you fought your way up the Monarch skyscraper, just before you enter Paul Serene's office, on the secretary's desk. Go check it out and read it. He tells you of how he came to be exposed to chronon. It was a very long time ago, and the time passes too long and he became a Shifter. He also tells you that Shifters find normal progression of time unbearable to the point of rage and insanity. So he wants time to end so he gets permanent zero state, so he and others like him can be happy. You'll note that despite you and Serene being enemies, both of you don't want time to end. He does. He engineers everything so Monarch's Lifeboat fails. He also calls you, Serene, Kim, and others, Shifters too, despite your not being one yet, so it's clear that he knows you'll become one soon. After all, he's been like you before.
As for how he survived, he never died in the first place. You remember the dead soldiers throughout the building, the ones you found dead already, but it wasn't you who killed them? It was Hatch. The time vision reveals that he ordered people to turn off the stutterproof so he could move freely inside the building. He almost killed you too, but the stutter collapsed, and Shifters cannot exist as Shifters outside zero state, so he left. (If anyone wants to argue about whether Hatch could've killed you, I'd like to point out how hard it is to kill Serene in the last stage -- only about 5% of the players can actually beat hard, and most that didn't beat the game are stuck at Serene -- and THAT's just a human with one state of existence. Hatch is infinite, existing in permanent superimposed state. You couldn't have beaten him.)
3. Is Jack Joyce sick? In the end, we were shown his abilities like Paul Cyrin...
Yes. Most definitely. Paul Serene is what you will become. A normal person irradiated in super high dose die instantly, like Dr. Kim. A bit lower, and he develops cancer and eventually dies. Both you and Paul were severely exposed to chronon at the beginning, but he sent himself to the future, to the end of time, which he lives for months in his personal time, THEN back to 1999, from which he lives until 2016. For you, this entire game lasts mere days, but for him it lasts 17 years. Paul developed chronon syndrome and was dying, so will you. Both you and Paul also got irradiated twice. Once at the beginning of the game. Second time, when you created Ground Zero and X died. It takes only one irradiation to develop chronon syndrome and eventually die, but the more you're irradiated, the sicker you are, and the faster you die. Unlike Paul, you got irradiated twice in mere days. Paul even noted that your powers grow in leaps and bounds while his took years. This implies you're becoming Paul Serene, only at much faster rate. This is also consistent with Hatch's letter. You're sick and will become a Shifter soon.
You've only seen him killed twice, max. That's far from ALL of the infinite possibilities that made up the entire wave function. Since the superposed state is made up of all of them and none of them, killing only two versions of him is far from killing him.
This explains how he managed the impossible feats like killing all the soldiers apprehending him and coming back to life several times after getting killed. You don't even find his body when you get to the CFR.
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Another question then is how could the end of time be avoided? But this is entering speculation territory. (It's probably also what the sequel would have focused on, but that will probably never happen unfortunately. So I'd love to see some Netflix on this stuff too!)
Serene's been to the end of time, so has Beth, and it happened in 2021. But the countermeasure doesn't work if it isn't implemented before time ends. Jack and Will succeed in this in 2016 and restore time. But somehow Hatch manages to kick-start the stutters once again. And when you take into consideration that this game is consistent about the immutability of the past (that whole Novikov self-consistency principle), how could something that has come to pass be changed?
I can just think of a few plot twists. Maybe the end of time Paul saw is just an illusion? A super-long stutter? It's Possible. Maybe it's something artificially maintained by some sort of device? A bit silly but why not. Maybe some sort of way to restart time in a zero-state is found after all? Also possible but would seem a bit like cheating, since it would require the narrative's set rules to be altered. Or maybe the past CAN be changed after all? This is hinted at with the whisper in Beth's ear. But this option would really require an ingenious explanation, because the "Novikov rule" is at the heart of the narrative.
That or he just wants as many allies as possible. Could be useful.
I hope Remedy comes back to this game's ending one day. I wouldn't be surprised if they did, they love their world(s).
+1
if done right, which my experience with control drove me straight into Alan Wake & American Nightmare, which I don't give a flip what anyone says, I liked it, plus I have a thing for Arizona, lol. Quantum break was also picked up due to Alan Wake refrence. And to think no way in hell Alan Wake could even come within 1000 lightyears of Evil Within, not too proud to admit I was wrong.
The simple answer: Paul correctly saw the End of Time in 2022. He just didn't know there would be two End of Time events, with the 'first one' being one unknown to him, that occurs during the time span of the game, and is solved by the Joyce brothers with the countermeasure.
The second one is still going to occur, and given Paul spent months (?) in that End of Time period, it's plausible that it either is never fixed, or that fixing it takes a lot of 'relative' time.
Alternatively, what the game covers was never the End of Time, but merely a 'very long stutter', and the countermeasure was never going to achieve more than ending that stutter. (Then again, there's no functional difference between a 'long' stutter and the actual end of time.)
What deunan already mentioned, but let me add another small detail: Hatch is dependant on using his eye drips, which are some form of chronon substance. This is only mentioned in a single note, but never acknowledged in any dialogue, therefore it might be something that is unknown to most of the cast.
It's possible that those eyedrips are in fact a full cure for the chronon disease, that Hatch obtained somewhen after mastering his shifter state, possibly 'in the future' (which could be anywhere between the end of the game and the end of time, or possibly beyond). Or maybe it's some already known medicine from the 'natural' time machine he supposedly got his power from, and he has simply kept the recipe hidden for milennia.
In any case, it's both made clear that he needs those, and that they are related to chronon, so it's possible that his ability to be a controlled shifter is related to them.
now thats some news =]