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Cato Apr 30, 2017 @ 12:25pm
How to prepare for Mongol invasion?
Im playing as the byzantines and had a stoke of luck and killed the Turks even though they still had three settlements

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=916554855

Now I need to prepare for the Mongol invasion

What would be the best way of going about this? / where should the line be?

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Hat8 Apr 30, 2017 @ 12:33pm 
Citadels filled with heavily armed infantry should be enough to smash the initial free stacks that they get. You might lose a few of em but once you break the initial invasion it's an easy ride.
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Cato Apr 30, 2017 @ 1:02pm 
Originally posted by Hat21:
Citadels filled with heavily armed infantry should be enough to smash the initial free stacks that they get. You might lose a few of em but once you break the initial invasion it's an easy ride.

Ill give it a go - Only some of my castles will be citadels by that time however given that it is turn 59 now and they could be at my door by turn 80 or turn 100 if they are REALLy slow.

another issue is that my infantry or byzantine infantry is not great...dismounted lancers don't have the good morale stat and don't have bonus against cav like dismounted spahi lancers do

I think ill need a line of castle filled with tresbyond archers, dismounted lancers, and maybe some catapults
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Khorps Apr 30, 2017 @ 1:25pm 
even if you lose as-long as you destroy large portions of their army they'll be withered down.

also they like to move in a group. if an army is separated from the pack it's an easy target. but the biggest priority is to kill their generals.
Last edited by Khorps; Apr 30, 2017 @ 1:26pm
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LuNi Apr 30, 2017 @ 1:26pm 
If byzantines have access to stakes stacking those on top of each other will absolutely destroy mongols and their cavalry.
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LCcmdr Apr 30, 2017 @ 3:21pm 
Nah, walk away now; all is lost against the mighty Mongols.... :)
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HazardHawk Apr 30, 2017 @ 6:16pm 
Originally posted by Hat21:
Citadels filled with heavily armed infantry should be enough to smash the initial free stacks that they get. You might lose a few of em but once you break the initial invasion it's an easy ride.
Initial Free stacks... You do realize half the Mongol units have no recruit cost and have no upkeep cost?

That said, once the Mongols settle, dont let them settle in or they have all kinds of more free stacks they can recruit.



Originally posted by Khorps:
but the biggest priority is to kill their generals.
Killing generals is the ONLY way to stop the Mongols. The same goes with the Timurids next
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Ruinae Retroque Rursus Apr 30, 2017 @ 11:25pm 
Never fight Mongols in an open battle - even if you win your army will be smashed.

No, wait for them to come to you. Fight them in sieges. Byz roster kinda sucks overall in my opinion, so your best bet is to spam utterly cheap Spear Militia. Get a good general and they won't rout.

Byz has no normal access to stakes (though Mercenary Longbowmen by Milan can plant stakes - unsure of whether the Byz can hire them though), so you'll have to abuse the heck out of your arrow towers and just stuff fifteen units of spear militia by the gate. Put a couple on the walls to stop their siege towers.


ALSO, it is vitally important that if you retreat to the plaza for whatever reason (probably too many holes in walls), if you're in a Castle abuse the heck out of the towers in the plaza. They're there only in Castle-line settlements and at the back, but free arrows at a time when things are looking bleak is not to be sniffed at. (Just move your units back as close to the towers as you can get them - the towers will start auto-firing).
Last edited by Ruinae Retroque Rursus; Apr 30, 2017 @ 11:25pm
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Hat8 May 1, 2017 @ 11:23am 
Originally posted by HazardHawk:
Originally posted by Hat21:
Citadels filled with heavily armed infantry should be enough to smash the initial free stacks that they get. You might lose a few of em but once you break the initial invasion it's an easy ride.
Initial Free stacks... You do realize half the Mongol units have no recruit cost and have no upkeep cost?

That said, once the Mongols settle, dont let them settle in or they have all kinds of more free stacks they can recruit.



Originally posted by Khorps:
but the biggest priority is to kill their generals.
Killing generals is the ONLY way to stop the Mongols. The same goes with the Timurids next

It's an easy ride once you've crushed the main force.
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HazardHawk May 1, 2017 @ 11:34am 
Well, also my personal game is quite heavily modded for me and the Mongols and Timurids are not quite the same pushover even after taking out the first stacks. The literal only way to keep them in check is leave them stuck with only a castle and keep their generals killed. They will still recruit the free units in abundance so they always need to be fought unless I go to the trouble of pushing them back into a horde and wiping them out completely which takes planning because they can move farther than you.
Last edited by HazardHawk; May 1, 2017 @ 11:34am
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NekRon99 May 1, 2017 @ 12:06pm 
you probably know this but the mongols come in waves, not just one wave.
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Hat8 May 2, 2017 @ 12:32am 
Originally posted by NekRon99:
you probably know this but the mongols come in waves, not just one wave.

If I remember correctly, they also spawn in different parts of the map.
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Cato May 2, 2017 @ 12:42am 
Originally posted by Hat21:
Originally posted by NekRon99:
you probably know this but the mongols come in waves, not just one wave.

If I remember correctly, they also spawn in different parts of the map.

I think the three spawn points are Baghdad Yeveron, and Sarkel - I think they all spawn in the same area once they have chosen their entry point tho im not sure.
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Inardesco May 2, 2017 @ 10:14am 
Originally posted by HazardHawk:
That said, once the Mongols settle, dont let them settle in or they have all kinds of more free stacks they can recruit.

THey're actually easier to kill once settled then when they are in a horde because they're no longer moving around as one big group.
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Inardesco May 2, 2017 @ 10:16am 
Originally posted by Hat21:
Originally posted by NekRon99:
you probably know this but the mongols come in waves, not just one wave.

If I remember correctly, they also spawn in different parts of the map.

2 waves for both the Mongols and Timurids.

They can spawn in 4 regions; Baghdad, Yerevan, Transoxasia (above the caspian sea) and Tbilisi.

Tbilisi and Bagdhad have Antioch as target.
above Caspian Sea and Yerevan have Kiev as target.

Mosul and Sarkel ? are usually citadels they attack so if you can kill 'm there you can weaken them considerably.
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Cato May 4, 2017 @ 2:12pm 
Originally posted by Inardesco:
Originally posted by Hat21:

If I remember correctly, they also spawn in different parts of the map.

2 waves for both the Mongols and Timurids.

They can spawn in 4 regions; Baghdad, Yerevan, Transoxasia (above the caspian sea) and Tbilisi.

Tbilisi and Bagdhad have Antioch as target.
above Caspian Sea and Yerevan have Kiev as target.

Mosul and Sarkel ? are usually citadels they attack so if you can kill 'm there you can weaken them considerably.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=919119881

out of curiosity what does the spawn point for Sarkel have as target?

becuase they have spawned near Sarkel
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