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On on the other team, the two AI players are perfectly in sync. They'll send together, they'll greed together, they have everything on lockdown.
Possible reasons your bot is falling behind:
- You are spending mythium too frequently (which gives the enemy bot the freedom to push a lot of workers, which punishes your allied bot)
- Your allied bot got unlucky (maybe it randomly used units it wasn't as comfortable with, compared to the other bots)
- Your bot is "missing income" (spending mythium after income gold is rewarded). Your allied bot is coded to match your sending pattern. So, for example, if you send mercenaries this wave, it will join you. However, if you send at the last second, it won't know that you're going to send, so it misses income, which makes it fall behind. We plan to fix this in a future patch.
The bots should never go only workers. If you encounter that, please give us a screenshot, and we'll look into it.
-Jules
i've never seen the ai buy only workers, i usually have more workers than it does by the end of the game.
I'll try to take a screenshot the next time I see it.
if you send, even a snail, they'll try to send anything, basically mimic your actions
so far i can tell you that trying to go for a full income is a bad idea, a full game of bot, you want to save mithium and send on a wave in which the other team will likely leak, and get your money worth in worker from the gold obtained from the leak.
that's so far how i overcome diamond bots, tank their send, and punish them when they are investing in worker against waves where their tanking units are vulnerable.
I also like to point out the A.i never upgrades the king until its like 1% hp left or so then it spams the regen upgrade sometimes on rare case it would help me with 1 or 2 or maybe even 5 upgrades on ether attack or spell upgrade on the king.
This said this is a huge flaw in team work fighting whatever league of A.i it really does not matter when it comes down to team work I feel personally the A.i should have some form of responsibility of upgrading the king 1 or 2 upgrades every 1 or 2 waves all the time.
As this promotes team work I ran into a new player who was being one of them know it all's and said upgrading the king is a waste of time and money so on and never aided me from the start we ended up dying on wave 11 due to that flaw every little and big leak killed our low upgraded king.
So if the A.i is not upgrading and any new or other players who fight the A.i might get the wrong idea thinking this is the right way to play to not upgrade the king with your team mate.
Not a bad idea. Actually. For the unranked and weaker bots, since I imagine that's what new players of the game think is good. It may be good for the bots to replicate that behaviour so that when the player tries harder bots, they realise the strategies change. They realise they can't just push workers without receiving sends, they start to pay attention when their opponent is saving mythium. etc, etc.
Though I feel like you're suggesting this 'because' you're a new player. So you don't realise why this is bad.
Anywhere above Gold, maybe even before gold, it's just not good. I do NOT want my AI or Platinum bots king upping for no reason. It's predictable, puts no pressure on proponent, you let them push workers. It's awful.
The AI partner works perfectly fine with King Ups. If I feel the pressure or need to king up, I'm the one who controls when it happens. If I king up, the AI pretty much always helps. Usually more than I do. Unless they already spent mythium or they're saving for something else.
It's a legitimate strategy i've seen work in a 2 man party vs diamond bots but despite having the 50 income advantage, you cannot do it with an AI partner since they're obsessed with pushing workers and don't seem to have a concept of monitoring their ally strength to catch their leaks.
They're stronger than the others players due to leaks but not enough to clears merc. The moment they get a send it's game.
idk man i played like almost whole match with AI partner cuz random guy left the game and i feel like they are better than most players i get to team xD
something i must agree and disagree i'm in no means a new player to TD defence games I go far back to WC3 / SC 1 / SC 2 custom games tho i am new to legion TD game if you consider 3 or so months new now.
I strongly feel the king's defences is just as important as pushing lanes specially late game most of all.
As I'v had games neck to neck where the king's had max defence and just wiped out the remaining units in wave 21 that leaked on each teams lanes from the wave and the units sent to them lanes.
Its our job to delay /slow /stop / wipe out the wave and anything added to the wave and its the kings job to clean and hold for the next wave for us to adept and hold our defence to bounce back and strike back.
So regardless of what rank the A.i or the player maybe early to mid and most specially late game in my opinion is highly recommended for boss upgrades as late game the player should have around at minimum 35 - 50 workers if your not leaking too much and able to be flexible.
And if you make them leak and able to spread your wings even further and get some breathing room then around 50 - 80+ workers one should have late game i'v gotten around 130+ workers in my best games late game for example.
So what I'm suggesting is the A.i needs to have a rule set to help upgrade the king at least 1 or 2 times in first Attack damage or spell damage
Skip this if you like to continue to read the main subject this is for any new players or anyone interested in what i'v learned in my time playing.
No heal upgrades needed first as its pointless if your king at max health as wiping out things quicker to prevent loss of health make's the king need to heal less due to less health lost from less damage taken,
So heal upgrades are the last upgrade to do some players upgrade the heal first and not the attacks I just wanted to point this out for any new players
As the green blobs on wave 7 often leak for some if its only handful or almost a full wave and this can bring your boss down from 100% to around 70% or lower in hp.
Resulting in me solo upgrading and i only had 7 or so in attack only and could not clear his leak or mine or both resulting in this is a must have early game just to be safe.
every wave or every 2 waves with you to share the load off you as the A.i do not help you do this until late game they spam upgrade late game if its ether attack or spell damage out of the blue.
And even spam heals on the king when our king is at like 2% health from lack of defence upgrades then they spam heal upgrade as its going save us now bit too late if you ask me.
Resulting in you dying early from ether your leaks if there big or small or most of the time the A.i leaks.
As like you said the A.i can not read the players adaptability if the player is falling short on ether defence and workers and leaking because the A.i is doing nothing but buying workers and sending units over the other team and never upgrading the king until its too late or very late game resulting in it crippling you.
And twisting your arm to build less workers and spend most of that gold on your units, on your lane to make sure you hold and can wipe out any leaked units from the A.i lane and spend what mythium you have to upgrade the boss.
Resulting in lack of units on your lane if you over spend on workers and lack of push on your end from lack of workers as you need to over spend on units on your lane to hold the leaks.
The team work between the Player and the A.i or two players in general it can not be A.i
spends 80% on workers / push and the player spends 20% on workers and push by the player even if that's possible with the lack of mythium from how low your worker count is and from how you must hold both lanes and get 1 or 2 workers when you able to if you over do it you leak and resulting in dying
the A.i needs to ease up on pushing and help defend as the player can't hold every leak the A.i and themselves happen to leak its a tipping scale from right to left too much on one side the other side will go down too much on the other the same thing happens it needs to be balanced and close to 50% on ether side.
And with little to no king upgrades that ruin it as it can't take care of the A.i or the player's leaks which makes my point even more relevant.
And it really does not cost too much to upgrade the king ether 1 or 2 upgrades is 20 / 40 mythium cost that should and easily be affordable every 1 or 2 round from wave 4 and up letting the player be able to focus more on pushing and upgrade then upgrading the king to plug any leaks the A.i happen to have or player.
This is the reason why i am worried the new players will think and not only think but feel that its the right and only way to play the game is to mass workers and push lanes resulting in leaking with a weak king and crippling your partner in the end result.
I'v had toxic random players that that i reported after the game but during the game they would never upgrade the king at all and end result was what the A.i did to me as well the guy's response when pinging the upgrade every 4 waves so I don't spam.
And also asking him nicely to upgrade them he would go on a rant of how stupid i am how i don't know jack :D :D :D :D and how i'm a :D you get the point.....
I'v taken a look at his profile in game he played only like 8 games.... I'm not trying to sound like a smart ass or anything I'v got years of experience behind me from games from WC3 and SC 1 and SC 2 like i said.
I'm not here to boast how much I'v played in the past i'm just trying to share my knowledge and my view in a respectful yet understandable way without offending anyone.
Anyways I hope this was a more detailed and insightful response that may clear few things up on what I'v experienced and learned and view things and love to hear how others feel about it themselves if they feel the same way?.
Anyways thanks for reading :)
You're building for defeat.
You're talking about how strong those waves are and how they're perfect for sends and exploiting build weaknesses because they're strong waves. You king upping is giving them all the room in the world to do exactly that. They push worker, starve you and then unleash a huge send that'll get them even more leak gold. So why don't you utilise that mythium to instead leak the enemy on those waves also?
It's just objectively better.
King ups are a great situation tool. It depends entirely on whether you believe your team will DIE or not. Which will differ game per game depending on rolls obviously. Wave 7 may be strong, but if you've got a Mask or a Flame Ele or two, it's the easiest wave of your life. It's not black and white. It's not something you just do for income.
If you and your teammate get venture, for instance, your economy will be really strong end of wave 12. But you need to survive until then. An argument can be made to fully upgrade king there and at that point you could do it a single wave and it'd be really strong and catch the enemy off-guard.
Another thing; you mention crippling your partner. That's exactly what you're doing if all you do is push king upgrades. You might thing you're helping secure his foundations. Again, all you're really doing is giving your opponent absolute free, uncontested reign to go full eco and completely stomp the game later. You need to leak him when your partner leaks theirs. You need to co-ordinate. Otherwise you fall behind on leak gold. You refusing to budge on king ups means your partner can't co-ordinate with you which is likely why you get flamed.
I would love to see some of your replays because i'm pretty confident judging by how convinced you are on the importance of king ups that your lane opponent is routinely best eco in the game. Check them out and check the replays for when they push workers.
Try and be more mindful of their weak waves and try to leak them. That's how you get a strong foundation. You give your partner leak gold, you get gold, everyone is happy.
If you're putting such a priority on king ups, you're also very likely not sending mercs during waves. Meaning you're missing out on income.
I'm sorry i could not continue reading as i lost all value in what you have to say after you refereed to me as the toxic player not once have i insulted anyone within the chat within the game.
Not only that i'v put time and detail into breaking down a logical yet understandable reasoning behind what i'v written your replying to me as everything i said is wrong with no value what so ever and trying to turn something that is not being toxic what soever into something that is.
That said I won't continue this conversion if this is the way it will continue I'm not here to ague or fight i'm here to place my point of view here and give some in sight of what i'v learned for other to take it with them if they so please.
That said have a good day