Ox clan and Veterans

[KekiWekiPeki]

Ox clan is the only one who gets attack from upgrading barracks. Once they reach veterans their dmg looks ridiculous comparing to any other clan.

Its quite frustraiting to face 10+15 dmg gigachads, especially when their chief has the most broken relic for PVP.

Maybe Ox clan should have leadership only?

[Regular Boar]

I think you misunderstood the 'military training' lore description. 'each camp gives an additional 5% attack power'. the important word is ADDITIONAL. Meaning other clans get 5% per upgraded camp, ox gets 10%
Although its true that ox soldiers are better than other soldiers on 1vs1 fights, other clans should have strength in numbers.
Also Ox is a late game clan. If you have problem beating them, try attacking earlier before they get all the good soldier upgrades.

[KekiWekiPeki]

Originally posted by Regular Boar:

Meaning other clans get 5% per upgraded camp

other clans get 5% attack speed, not dmg. Ox the only one who gets dmg from upgrades and Veterans doubles it (i've just checked).

[Regular Boar]

oh true its attack speed. dmg is for upgrading axe thrower camps. anyway the point is other clans can improve their soldiers too by upgrading camps. and like i said they have more soldiers who can outnumber ox usually.
what is 'veterans'? i checked and i cant find any lore or fame title that gives you this bonus

[KekiWekiPeki]

Originally posted by Regular Boar:

what is 'veterans'?

Its from military paths, 3rd step of Legions path

I dont know how hard should I outnumber Ox. x2? x3? Its almost impossible.

I mean, i saw tone of fights where Ox literally vaporize any army without crucial loses. Its ok to be strongest, its not ok to be godlike and almost untouchable.

[[FrozenEarth] Fra]

Originally posted by KekiWekiPeki:

Originally posted by Regular Boar:

what is 'veterans'?

Its from military paths, 3rd step of Legions path

I dont know how hard should I outnumber Ox. x2? x3? Its almost impossible.

I mean, i saw tone of fights where Ox literally vaporize any army without crucial loses. Its ok to be strongest, its not ok to be godlike and almost untouchable.

Against Ox or u go irli game (assuming the clans/map allows u to do it) or u pick a counter clan like Lyon.
About the Attack Speed, it is useless compared to Atk Dmg, since in a battle with many units u wanna shot your targets (microing) u don't wanna deal more Hits x Seconds, in late game (lategame can be even mid 802 with a good spawn, but there could be even a supp clan which speeds all his things up) Ox will arrive at a point where u can't do much without a Lyon with his reflect dmg on units + major amount of them + possibly Fire relic which is also very strong.

[KekiWekiPeki]

Originally posted by FrozenEarth Fra:

Against Ox or u go irli game

I mean i understand it, its obvious! But it doesnt change the fact that their army is too op

[[FrozenEarth] Fra]

Originally posted by KekiWekiPeki:

Originally posted by FrozenEarth Fra:

Against Ox or u go irli game

I mean i understand it, its obvious! But it doesnt change the fact that their army is too op

I mean that's the purpose of the clan, it doesn't clear, doesn't scout, doesn't feast, it just makes a strong army to carry later on, if "the army is too op" and u nerf it what would be its utility?

[KekiWekiPeki]

Originally posted by FrozenEarth Fra:

I mean that's the purpose of the clan, it doesn't clear, doesn't scout, doesn't feast, it just makes a strong army to carry later on, if "the army is too op" and u nerf it what would be its utility? :theskull:

Its ok to be strong in late game, its not ok to be THAT strong

imo

[Sergius]

Its true. Ox is too strong right now :/

[The Debauchery]

If you don't want to lose at PvP, don't play PvP.
If you honestly believe Ox is OP, as opposed to literally the worst clan in the entire game, then play Ox. Whining about it is asinine.
Or maybe you could play Raven and just constantly attack their coasts with mercenaries. Ox Clan needs 1.5 to 2x as much territory just to maintain itself. If you're constantly shutting down their coast (and presumably their main base), you can hit them on two fronts and take their territory from them, and then they won't be able to maintain their army.

[Regular Boar]

yeah basically like i said you have to harass them early cause they will only be powerful if left alone.
that being said it strongly depends on the game mode you are playing. they might be good in 1vs1 and maybe 2vs2 but in a 6p free for all they almost dont have any chance of winning. if they are doing well they can defeat 1 or even 2 players before somebody else gets a fame/lore/trade victory. also their neighbors will focus them early on if they are smart.

[KekiWekiPeki]

Originally posted by Regular Boar:

yeah basically like i said you have to harass them early cause they will only be powerful if left alone.
that being said it strongly depends on the game mode you are playing. they might be good in 1vs1 and maybe 2vs2 but in a 6p free for all they almost dont have any chance of winning. if they are doing well they can defeat 1 or even 2 players before somebody else gets a fame/lore/trade victory. also their neighbors will focus them early on if they are smart.

How often do u play FFA actually? :) Coz i do it a lot and Ox/Lion/Rat are S tier clans, Ox specifically. And if u dont care about my opinion, check Larsman's videos (he is top PVP player) who says the same.

Ox is viable once 802 starts and unstoppable after.

[Regular Boar]

tbh i wasnt active in pvp for about 4 years. if things changed that much since then nevermind^^

[Rurik]

OX is strong but it has bad recovering. In Team games, he just wont get such dmg 10+15. The game will be finished early.

in FFA, He will be just outnumbered but other late clans like Rat, Stoat, Kraken
HE can make 16-20 with 10+15 dmg. rat makes 30-35 shamans with 110 hp and wipes OX army.
Kraken brings even more up to 35 units with mjollnir
While Stoat can make up to 40 (with lords, milita and etc).

Ox do not have recruitment, so he can't make another big army, while other clans can.
Size of army is more important than unit damage.