Bifrost - feedback and discussion.

[TradeGy]

I've completed a couple normals and tried a fair bit of hard but haven't been able to complete it. This is all a solo perspective.

Early game - Most of the balancing problems are in the beginning, maybe allow 1 of the clan specific Conquest bonuses and 1 additional Conquest bonus when choosing buildings. Perhaps more for solo players.

Building your own clan - So the way I see it is the game mode is about building your own clan by mixing the special rules of your chosen clan with random clan knowledges and buildings. I love that but the problem is even when I got to the 3rd map it was still incredibly half-baked.

We should get more choices, 5 instead of 3 and while I understand capping the yearly bonuses to 804 as otherwise you would just camp and get all your bonuses in the first map, we still need ways to get more bonuses and preferably impactful/interesting ones instead of the x% bonus, they're okay sometimes but most of the time I get a choice between them and a military building

Perhaps more quests per map would help establish a clan identity.

Imagine if we could start as Ox, get access to Kraken's wyrd mechanic and unlock Valkyries and Raven's Mercenaries.

Or start as Raven, unlock the Brawler Arenas and then get access to the soul mechanic and brawler lores.

Currently when playing as a different clan and unlocking Brawler Arenas you can use them to make Brawlers but since you do not have the soul summoning you have to get the brawler to lvl 2 and then get it to absorb an animal soul. Currently I have not gotten access to any clan lore that mentions specific units like Valkyries or Brawlers unless I played the original clan (Kraken), could be just luck but I dont know.

Edit: I'm playing Lion atm and got Brawler Arena and now I got Heavy Workforce so apparently you can get unit specific lores even when not playing original clan.

Another way to customize would be to be able to get other clans Fame bonuses. And even ways to unlock more Warchiefs would be cool.

New monsters - There is the wave attackers and the static neutrals. Hopefully the waves will be more thematic instead of just a mix of everything.
I do like that there are 'True Valkyries' and 'Vanirs' as neutrals, I always look forward to more neutrals getting added.

Miscellenious - There are certain lores that you can get, like Guerilla Tactics that are useless as there exists no 'enemy' so there are no zones where you can even build the bonus.

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And if anyone got some tips on what to do on hard as I've only once survived the first attack wave but couldn't rebuild in time for the 2nd. And I know I'm not the best so I wont call it impossible but its many multitudes harder than Extreme Conquest.

[Helmold]

What annoyed me the most so far, are specials and buildings that are absolutely not useful for the conquest as you can't use them (e.g. bonus to befriending neutrals or "spoils of war" as the enemies apparantly don't count). So, if you are out of luck, all options are useless.

[TradeGy]

Originally posted by Helmold:

What annoyed me the most so far, are specials and buildings that are absolutely not useful for the conquest as you can't use them (e.g. bonus to befriending neutrals or "spoils of war" as the enemies apparantly don't count). So, if you are out of luck, all options are useless.

Haven't had any of those but Spoils of War not counting sounds like a bug tbh.

[Axyl]

Biggest problem I had was the Free Defense Tower Upgrade every year from the middle military tree didn't work. Wasn't able to upgrade any defense towers for free, even though I got the yearly pop-up saying one was available

[Ammikaameri]

Main issue I noticed while playing solo; if you don't get the foodsilos, you may end up in a situation in which you cannot complete the mission as you cannot get enough food to colonize the bifrost tile. Possibly you could allow the enemy to capture all unnecessary tiles so you can get enough but it seems a bit silly.

Hopefully the worthless tech choices will get removed or reworked.

Originally posted by Axyl:

Biggest problem I had was the Free Defense Tower Upgrade every year from the middle military tree didn't work. Wasn't able to upgrade any defense towers for free, even though I got the yearly pop-up saying one was available

Also noticed this. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that upgrading towers doesn't require stone now.

[Axyl]

Originally posted by Ammikaameri:

Also noticed this. Maybe it has something to do with the fact that upgrading towers doesn't require stone now.

Yeah that's my thinking also. it's something I am sure will be fixed by the time the new mode is properly released, but figured it was worth posting about anyways

[TradeGy]

Originally posted by Ammikaameri:

Main issue I noticed while playing solo; if you don't get the foodsilos, you may end up in a situation in which you cannot complete the mission as you cannot get enough food to colonize the bifrost tile. Possibly you could allow the enemy to capture all unnecessary tiles so you can get enough but it seems a bit silly.

You do not need to colonize the Bifrost to explore it you just need to kill the Vanirs that spawn after every winter, with 3 scouts if you start right as winter ends you'll complete it before winter starts next.

Originally posted by Ammikaameri:

Hopefully the worthless tech choices will get removed or reworked.

Rework hopefully.

[Ammikaameri]

Originally posted by TradeGy:

You do not need to colonize the Bifrost to explore it you just need to kill the Vanirs that spawn after every winter, with 3 scouts if you start right as winter ends you'll complete it before winter starts next.

Oh, my game must have been bugged as I killed all the mobs in the zone and the game did not end. I even killed them twice. Was about to colonize it later but the game crashed on the tile before that.

[Wüstenkint]

Originally posted by Ammikaameri:

Originally posted by TradeGy:

You do not need to colonize the Bifrost to explore it you just need to kill the Vanirs that spawn after every winter, with 3 scouts if you start right as winter ends you'll complete it before winter starts next.

Oh, my game must have been bugged as I killed all the mobs in the zone and the game did not end. I even killed them twice. Was about to colonize it later but the game crashed on the tile before that.

You have to kill all the mobs and then put scouts on the bifrost, like on a ruin or shipwreck.

[TradeGy]

Originally posted by Ammikaameri:

Oh, my game must have been bugged as I killed all the mobs in the zone and the game did not end. I even killed them twice. Was about to colonize it later but the game crashed on the tile before that.

Originally posted by Wüstenkint:

You have to kill all the mobs and then put scouts on the bifrost, like on a ruin or shipwreck.

Yeah this is how to do it, it takes around 6 months for 3 scouts and like 9 - 10 if only 2 scouts. When that happens you will in the 'Bifrost' quest window get the option to leave which is what you should press when you wanna leave. Which you should only do after 804 and after getting all other quests complete.

[Shiro_Steven]

The thread has been sent to the devs so that we can work on the comments everyone here have made

[KmdrKristof]

They need to work on seed generation, since something is wrong with second map and I cant pass it, just clear my whole island and I am unable to use portals. There is some magic trick to do it?

[Shiro_Steven]

Originally posted by KmdrKristof:

They need to work on seed generation, since something is wrong with second map and I cant pass it, just clear my whole island and I am unable to use portals. There is some magic trick to do it?

You have to scout the other side of the portal first, and to do that you have to manually scout the sea during winter ;)
A lot of you seem confused about this working of the map, we'll try to make it clearer for the official release

[KmdrKristof]

Originally posted by Shiro_Steven:

Originally posted by KmdrKristof:

They need to work on seed generation, since something is wrong with second map and I cant pass it, just clear my whole island and I am unable to use portals. There is some magic trick to do it?

You have to scout the other side of the portal first, and to do that you have to manually scout the sea during winter ;)
A lot of you seem confused about this working of the map, we'll try to make it clearer for the official release

Ah its something like during winter sea is frozen and scouts are able to walk on it? Yea, with my friend we thought that we need to get map generated with flying bird which one need heal first(forgot name) so he scouts map and portals. Yea it need to be a little more clear since these is a lot of new stuff, so good and different from base game that people are confused on whats they may do

[VladTheInhaler]

Played a 2-person co-op. I find it a bit over the top that the very first winter we both got 5 Valkyries and a Jötunn. It's absolutely impossible to create an army that can defeat that wave in the first year. And that was on easy mode!

[TradeGy]

Originally posted by VladTheInhaler:

Played a 2-person co-op. I find it a bit over the top that the very first winter we both got 5 Valkyries and a Jötunn. It's absolutely impossible to create an army that can defeat that wave in the first year. And that was on easy mode!

The wave monsters are not the same as the real ones. Valkyries for example has almost not attack when they are part of the wave but alot of health and defence. The Jötunn, undead variant right? Has high attack but no defence or health almost so its important to focus the high attack first.

Sadly its quite hard to click on the correct monster when they are all bunched up.