What kind of victory is best for the rat clan?

[Butter Bot]

Also when is the rat clan strong?
After playing arround it a bit I concluded it have a very good economie wich seem to make it an all rounder.
In my eye the rat clan is a late game semi-militairy clan, it good at adapting in any start and can go for a knowledge victory.
What do you think?

[Kryos]

It's my current favorite clan because you can do pretty much anything. You can thrive in early/mid game by managing your shamans and overproduction carefully, and build a strong eco for trade victory.

Lore and fame are also not hard to reach, but imo this clan gets really strong in mid/late game as a military clan, for the relic is really strong if you know how to use it, and the shaman camp/forge upgrade makes them incredibly tanky and deadly. I dont see many things that can stop a full rat army once its set up correctly, and if they do you just have to retreat and insta regen !

[David K?]

Originally posted by Kryos:

It's my current favorite clan because you can do pretty much anything. You can thrive in early/mid game by managing your shamans and overproduction carefully, and build a strong eco for trade victory.

Lore and fame are also not hard to reach, but imo this clan gets really strong in mid/late game as a military clan, for the relic is really strong if you know how to use it, and the shaman camp/forge upgrade makes them incredibly tanky and deadly. I dont see many things that can stop a full rat army once its set up correctly, and if they do you just have to retreat and insta regen !

Have you fought Dragon or Stag clan? My shamans get demolished lol...

[Draro]

Domination - Rat clan is superstrong. As long as u can get enough stone (3) to get ur Shamans to 100+ hp, u can destroy every other clan.

Originally posted by Kryos:

Have you fought Dragon or Stag clan? My shamans get demolished lol...

Yes, including Dragon or Stag, u must be doing sth wrong then, probably not upgrade ur military camps (enough) ? :D

[>^._.^<]

Originally posted by David K?:

Originally posted by Kryos:

It's my current favorite clan because you can do pretty much anything. You can thrive in early/mid game by managing your shamans and overproduction carefully, and build a strong eco for trade victory.

Lore and fame are also not hard to reach, but imo this clan gets really strong in mid/late game as a military clan, for the relic is really strong if you know how to use it, and the shaman camp/forge upgrade makes them incredibly tanky and deadly. I dont see many things that can stop a full rat army once its set up correctly, and if they do you just have to retreat and insta regen !

Have you fought Dragon or Stag clan? My shamans get demolished lol...

In 802? Yes, you get destroyed if they are dedicated to all in but it's almost tie if dragon/stag invades you because they lose so much attack bonus and you know how to defend. Like gather civilians and shamans to defend. Pray they are not smart enough to starve you if you gather civilians.

In mid or late 803, you should be able to have 24+ shamans with over 80 hp because of Legions 3+. 24 shamans are dirty cheap. Only 1000 gold? I almost never go longship docks because I rarely get 3rd stone so trading+marketplace is strong eco for upgrading everything. If I get a bad start like no lore in my starting tiles, I always go sailing then.

Originally posted by Draro:

Domination - Rat clan is superstrong. As long as u can get enough stone (3) to get ur Shamans to 100+ hp, u can destroy every other clan.

Originally posted by Kryos:

Have you fought Dragon or Stag clan? My shamans get demolished lol...

Yes, including Dragon or Stag, u must be doing sth wrong then, probably not upgrade ur military camps (enough) ? :D

You are correct.

In late 803 or maybe 803's winter and early 804, you destroy everyone with 100 HP shamans and 30+ shamans no matter what they got. EZ

Rat is the kind of clan for FFA imo because you have better odds of making it to 803 or else, you might be rushed if you are not playing in FFA. :D

[Aratorin]

Garm's Incarnation is the single most OP military unit in the game, except for maybe the Owl giant thingy. Relic rush is very strong.

[Мартиций]

Originally posted by David K?:

Originally posted by Kryos:

Have you fought Dragon or Stag clan? My shamans get demolished lol...

Dragon? Rat is unwinnable as Dragon by default. Its a hard counter at any point.

[>^._.^<]

Originally posted by Aratorin:

Garm's Incarnation is the single most OP military unit in the game, except for maybe the Owl giant thingy. Relic rush is very strong.

um... what lol

you clearly only play singleplayer or conquest. lol

do not rush garm in mp. its horrible relic. jar is better but i wouldnt still rush jar. i rush stone always then iron. cant utilize garm very well if you cant get your food and gold up on par as others.

[Aratorin]

Originally posted by >^._.^<:

Originally posted by Aratorin:

Garm's Incarnation is the single most OP military unit in the game, except for maybe the Owl giant thingy. Relic rush is very strong.

um... what lol

you clearly only play singleplayer or conquest. lol

do not rush garm in mp. its horrible relic. jar is better but i wouldnt still rush jar. i rush stone always then iron. cant utilize garm very well if you cant get your food and gold up on par as others.

I play Rat in an unconventional way, where I rush Medicine and then keep them fully healthy while constantly overworking. That way their production is 140% all of the time. Food is not an issue.

Jar is better than virtually every other relic in the game, but Garm is one of the few exceptions.

[Мартиций]

Originally posted by Aratorin:

Originally posted by >^._.^<:

um... what lol

you clearly only play singleplayer or conquest. lol

do not rush garm in mp. its horrible relic. jar is better but i wouldnt still rush jar. i rush stone always then iron. cant utilize garm very well if you cant get your food and gold up on par as others.

I play Rat in an unconventional way, where I rush Medicine and then keep them fully healthy while constantly overworking. That way their production is 140% all of the time. Food is not an issue.

Jar is better than virtually every other relic in the game, but Garm is one of the few exceptions.

How do you recruit without having injured settlers?

[Aratorin]

Originally posted by Мартиций:

Originally posted by Aratorin:

I play Rat in an unconventional way, where I rush Medicine and then keep them fully healthy while constantly overworking. That way their production is 140% all of the time. Food is not an issue.

Jar is better than virtually every other relic in the game, but Garm is one of the few exceptions.

How do you recruit without having injured settlers?

By having high happiness and lots of buildings. Whether or not your villagers are injured has no impact on your recruitment. Since everyone is constantly at 140% productivity, I can spare a villager or two for a Brewery, which I would normally avoid with most clans.

Played this way, Rat basically gets the Eco of full feast Relic Goat, without having to spend food, and your military increases in size automatically, as you need a Shaman in each zone all the time.

[Kenpoleon Bonaparte]

Originally posted by Butter Bot:

Also when is the rat clan strong?

When the cat clan isn't around.

[Мартиций]

Originally posted by Aratorin:

Originally posted by Мартиций:

How do you recruit without having injured settlers?

By having high happiness and lots of buildings. Whether or not your villagers are injured has no impact on your recruitment. Since everyone is constantly at 140% productivity, I can spare a villager or two for a Brewery, which I would normally avoid with most clans.

Played this way, Rat basically gets the Eco of full feast Relic Goat, without having to spend food, and your military increases in size automatically, as you need a Shaman in each zone all the time.

No, what i mean is do you convert at full price? Seems counterproductive, having a dead tech, which it is. I usually remove camp from main tile at some point, so that I can be sure to always have some mobilization resource.

[Aratorin]

Originally posted by Мартиций:

Originally posted by Aratorin:

By having high happiness and lots of buildings. Whether or not your villagers are injured has no impact on your recruitment. Since everyone is constantly at 140% productivity, I can spare a villager or two for a Brewery, which I would normally avoid with most clans.

Played this way, Rat basically gets the Eco of full feast Relic Goat, without having to spend food, and your military increases in size automatically, as you need a Shaman in each zone all the time.

No, what i mean is do you convert at full price? Seems counterproductive, having a dead tech, which it is. I usually remove camp from main tile at some point, so that I can be sure to always have some mobilization resource.

No, of course not. New villagers still arrive wounded, so they become Shamans, and when it's time for mass conversion to army, I simply pull the Shamans out of the tiles and overwork for a few seconds to get injured.