WHY?! Why did you have to ruin the kraken?!

[Eoin Lynne]

The Kraken clan was so much fun to play. Now it is a broken mess. I have to keep paying out the ass to capture territory now because some nitwit thought it was a good idea to take away saving up for high tide and replace it with trying to lower your wyrd to below 0 (which negatively impacts you!!!!) just so you can get a troop to SACRIFICE!!! It used to be my favorite clan, now it's the worst...

Edit: I started a petition to undo the changes to Kraken and Raven clans. https://steamcommunity.com/app/466560/discussions/3/3821910251187768537/

[Vulture]

Can't say I'm a fan of the new Wyrd system. I do appreciate some of the concepts, like the Wyrd-morale replacement but the actual micromanaging to get spectral warriors is just too annoying and doesn't feel worth it (why the hell does 0 Wyrd not do anything?). I'll have to play around with it more but yeah, I miss the old system, OP or not, it was at least fun to use.

Also.

Originally posted by Millo:

For me, peoples that complain about kraken are just saying :
Having counterproductive mechanics was better
Playing the kraken clan without being related to the kraken was better
Having an original way to replace moral is bad
I just love to have a clan that miss his concept
I want my kraken clan to fear the kraken event
I want to make my moral decreased with the units i summon

Calling the previous iteration counterproductive and complaining about morale sounds like you were doing something dumb, like trying to heal ghosts.
The previous Kraken clan were related to the Kraken. Just because one worships something doesn't mean it cares they exist. The clan celebrated during the Kraken event previously so I'm not sure how the previous version missed the concept. Now it seems the grand Kraken serves the Clan which I'd argue is worse than the previous relationship.

EDIT: New Chief design is pretty great though.

[banno]

Well, we learned that we CAN'T TRUST Shiro. Not much point in buying their product if they arbitrarily decide to modify it. Like buying a four-litre car and getting up the next day to find they shrank the engine to one litre.

Point is, we NO LONGER HAVE WHAT WAS PAID FOR.

[m3gastar]

Originally posted by Eoin Lynne:

The Kraken clan was so much fun to play. Now it is a broken mess. I have to keep paying out the ass to capture territory now because some nitwit thought it was a good idea to take away saving up for high tide and replace it with trying to lower your wyrd to below 0 (which negatively impacts you!!!!) just so you can get a troop to SACRIFICE!!! It used to be my favorite clan, now it's the worst...

Edit: I started a petition to undo the changes to Kraken and Raven clans. https://steamcommunity.com/app/466560/discussions/3/3821910251187768537/

Who in the world thought this was a good idea? this clan is not painfully frustrating to play, and is ridiculously slow

[GeminiEclipse]

I don't really see what's wrong with Kraken.

Yeah you need a bit more micro, but with no happiness penalties outside of population they can easily get their numbers up in between making ghosts. I'm sure it will need some balancing, but the overall design seems fine to me.

Early Horgr seems essential.

Maybe having a button on the Horgr to toggle Wyrd production might help with QoL.

[MaximB]

Originally posted by Stitches:

Can't say I'm a fan of the new Wyrd system. I do appreciate some of the concepts, like the Wyrd-morale replacement but the actual micromanaging to get spectral warriors is just too annoying and doesn't feel worth it (why the hell does 0 Wyrd not do anything?). I'll have to play around with it more but yeah, I miss the old system, OP or not, it was at least fun to use.

Also.

Originally posted by Millo:

For me, peoples that complain about kraken are just saying :
Having counterproductive mechanics was better
Playing the kraken clan without being related to the kraken was better
Having an original way to replace moral is bad
I just love to have a clan that miss his concept
I want my kraken clan to fear the kraken event
I want to make my moral decreased with the units i summon

Calling the previous iteration counterproductive and complaining about morale sounds like you were doing something dumb, like trying to heal ghosts.
The previous Kraken clan were related to the Kraken. Just because one worships something doesn't mean it cares they exist. The clan celebrated during the Kraken event previously so I'm not sure how the previous version missed the concept. Now it seems the grand Kraken serves the Clan which I'd argue is worse than the previous relationship.

EDIT: New Chief design is pretty great though.

In the old version the clan feasted when there was a kraken event, but some games\matches don't have even one kraken event, so they never feast.
Now you can summon the kraken every year and cancel future events, it's a huge buff.

There was no reliable way to get controllable ghosts in the past (only sometimes in battles), so you wouldn't want to lose one - thus healing them was needed.

[RageOfPerun]

Northgard has a steep learning curve like 10h per clan,. so YEAH when the do a complete rework of any clan you will have to spend another 10h to re-learn it and appreciate it again.. what? do you expect to just jump into a completely "new"-clan and expect it to be intuitive from the 1st game?.. that is not how Northgard works(for better or worse)

[Saruman]

The penalties for capturing and building on inner land where kind of pointless, as it was way to easy to generate wyrd and flood the inner areas. It was also super easy to get valkyries.
Valkyries are now more expensive, but also more useful and the penalties of inner land are now actual drawbacks.
On the other hand, ghost warriors are better now and you can enforce the kraken event.
I think the kraken rework is good.
The only thing that could be improved is adding the +1 building slot bonus to not-flooded coastal areas, imo.

[GeminiEclipse]

Originally posted by Saruman:

The penalties for capturing and building on inner land where kind of pointless, as it was way to easy to generate wyrd and flood the inner areas. It was also super easy to get valkyries.
Valkyries are now more expensive, but also more useful and the penalties of inner land are now actual drawbacks.
On the other hand, ghost warriors are better now and you can enforce the kraken event.
I think the kraken rework is good.
The only thing that could be improved is adding the +1 building slot bonus to not-flooded coastal areas, imo.

You can high tide coastal areas.

[Eoin Lynne]

Originally posted by offline_jo:

Here, I just posted instructions on how to roll back to past versions of the game. Go back to the days of fun my friend! https://steamcommunity.com/app/466560/discussions/1/3821910251185288836/

Oh hey, thanks for this! I'm gunna take a look, but do you know if by chance you can play "online" (I play cooperatively with my girlfriend sometimes against bots) using this? I don't think the game has lan, otherwise we'd already be playing that way. The answer might be right in the post so I'm gunna go look. Thanks a sea! [/quote]
I THINK you can, if you are both rolled back to the same version (and yes you can roll back to even further back than the previous update), but I have not had a chance to test the multiplayer with my girlfriend yet so I can't promise.

[Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer]

Pretty convinced people getting dramatic over this haven't even read the patch notes because half of what I've seen written is over dramatized or just actually false.

[Eoin Lynne]

Originally posted by Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer:

Pretty convinced people getting dramatic over this haven't even read the patch notes because half of what I've seen written is over dramatized or just actually false.

Have you played them? I have played them. They were my main clan. Nothing dramatic or false.

[Aratorin]

Originally posted by Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer:

Pretty convinced people getting dramatic over this haven't even read the patch notes because half of what I've seen written is over dramatized or just actually false.

Don't bother man, you can't win. People cried that the game was awful and needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. People cried that new changes aren't tested.

Shiro rebuilt a large portion of the game, had a several months long open beta that multiple prominent YouTubers and high level players participated in and gave feedback on, and then released a giant, 100% free update, and those same people lost their freaking minds.

Literally everyone could have participated and given their feedback.

Shiro could shoot thousand dollar bills at them, and they would complain that they got paper cuts.

[Elliott]

I'm still figuring it out. So you need ghosts so you actually want to go negative Wyrd? It seems a bit odd as the game signals this as the Kraken being angry with you but you get rewarded with ghosts that follow your command?

[Eoin Lynne]

Originally posted by Aratorin:

Originally posted by Resident NATO Freedom Enjoyer:

Pretty convinced people getting dramatic over this haven't even read the patch notes because half of what I've seen written is over dramatized or just actually false.

Don't bother man, you can't win. People cried that the game was awful and needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. People cried that new changes aren't tested.

Shiro rebuilt a large portion of the game, had a several months long open beta that multiple prominent YouTubers and high level players participated in and gave feedback on, and then released a giant, 100% free update, and those same people lost their freaking minds.

Literally everyone could have participated and given their feedback.

Shiro could shoot thousand dollar bills at them, and they would complain that they got paper cuts.

Do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? The people complaining about the change aren't the ones who wanted a change. The only problem that has ever come from a past update was they removed the method for the rat clan to use dead enemies for the bonfire when they changed the XP system. The ones who kept complaining (at least before this update) where the competitive players. The ones complaining now are the casual and PVE players because we have all been ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the ass without lube so that the crybaby competitive players would stop complaining.

[Aratorin]

Originally posted by Eoin Lynne:

Originally posted by Aratorin:

Don't bother man, you can't win. People cried that the game was awful and needed to be rebuilt from the ground up. People cried that new changes aren't tested.

Shiro rebuilt a large portion of the game, had a several months long open beta that multiple prominent YouTubers and high level players participated in and gave feedback on, and then released a giant, 100% free update, and those same people lost their freaking minds.

Literally everyone could have participated and given their feedback.

Shiro could shoot thousand dollar bills at them, and they would complain that they got paper cuts.

Do you just enjoy talking out of your ass? The people complaining about the change aren't the ones who wanted a change. The only problem that has ever come from a past update was they removed the method for the rat clan to use dead enemies for the bonfire when they changed the XP system. The ones who kept complaining (at least before this update) where the competitive players. The ones complaining now are the casual and PVE players because we have all been ♥♥♥♥♥♥ in the ass without lube so that the crybaby competitive players would stop complaining.

I play almost 100% PVE, and you are wrong. Are things different? Yes. Is there a learning curve to the new changes? Yes. Were the clans ruined? No. The same old PVE gameplay was becoming stale. This update changes things up and makes it a fun new experience again. It's not perfect, but I'm sure the few bugs and issues will be addressed. Get a grip.