Do you think Altar of Kings is worth building?

[Alparslan]

I don't usually build it, even when I'm playing boar. It takes a lot of time to repay itself so almost always it's not worth it. The only thing that appeals to me is that it gives happiness. The ways to acquire happiness are limited, so it is important in that respect. +2 is not that much but still something.

[RageOfPerun]

I build it pretty much only as Stag(after getting a discount on it) or I just take it from enemy AI.. this thing needs to stand for 2years to repay it self otherwise

[pi73r]

Well it's always worth building if you dont need anything else to build immediately.

[Plake]

Originally posted by RageOfPerun:

I build it pretty much only as Stag(after getting a discount on it) or I just take it from enemy AI.. this thing needs to stand for 2years to repay it self otherwise

100% agree, there is not a single clan that HAS TO build the altar, but stag is defo the "nice to have" one. Especially eaely game it's a waste of resources that could be spent much better elsewhere at that time!

[kronos]

altar is the strongest building in the game

[Matty Knacker]

Wait why dont you build it past 801?

[Plake]

Originally posted by Matty Knacker:

Wait why dont you build it past 801?

If you want to win in MP games against somewhat capable players then better ignore "tips" from random people here and actually read up on what a good strategy is for the altar:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Northgard/comments/7uizrg/altar_of_kings_when_should_i_build_it/

A.k.a. rushing it before 801 increases the chance of other players rushing you due to the amount of ressources you pumped into it, instead of military for protection...

[Rogulair]

801 ? before even upgrade foods source, no tools even ? not a good idea...

2.33 per 200 fame + 1 Kröwns worth a month that's how much resources production rate you get from altar of king. if you build a field and have a granary 38.4 food a year upgraded it 64.1 food made a tool afterward 63.5 food for total 166 food yearly per farmer, and in real situation it's 2.305 production rate multiply by 3 then + 6.91 food per month, 3.455 Kröwns worth.

Just for 40 + 50 +50 +5.21 ( 10 stone no mining efficiency )+ 2.6 ( 5 iron ) + 30 = 177.81 Kröwns you can have a month more than an altar 225 Kröwns worth by year or two sooner and can multiply by how many farms you have and cost less stone, you need 800 fame to actually have an altar worth more than 2 upgraded farm in term of over all resource worth and thas is -0.2 difference when come pare to hunter hut.

But not for boar which's 112.5 Kröwns for 4.66 + 1 Kröwns worth with lores.

[Rogulair]

I do considered build an altar of kings after I got every basics buildings upgrade or can have more than 800 fame.
I do recognize free work force any difference as it's the same as bonus you gain from worker bonus. It's just not worth sooner than 800 fame compared to two upgraded farm with tools.

And high ranked players does it isn't good argument...as it "shutting down your's own opinion" by this false claims.

I do think the only good part of altar is when you actually can't use the upgraded building situation like when you need more fighter kinda of situation, but that shouldn't happen to food production as wood, Kröwns , lore should be the the first you considered.

[Rogulair]

I just need to upgraded a food building, a Kröwns building like trade center and then scout camp, then find more stone for healer and the altar. This is considered I go for carpenter mastery and can actually expand.

In case I couldn't expand, I would immediately go for middle lore and go for altar immediately before mid 802 and ready before winter with second clearing party.

You not even trying to find information to argue any more, as I suspected...

Who in theirs right mind would wait til 810 for the altar to pay back it initial cost when it's better to build when you have 800 fame or lower if you cannot man the upgraded building.

[Alparslan]

Originally posted by Rogulair:

I just need to upgraded a food building, a Kröwns building like trade center and then scout camp, then find more stone for healer and the altar. This is considered I go for carpenter mastery and can actually expand.

In case I couldn't expand, I would immediately go for middle lore and go for altar immediately.

You not even trying to find information to argue any more, as I suspected...

Who in theirs right mind would wait til 810 for the altar to pay back it initial cost when it's better to build when you have 800 fame or lower if you cannot man the upgraded building.

You sound like a horse player.Rather than horse, focusing too much on iron and stone is a waste of time because it put you behind from those who don't at the times 801-802.For example after 350+ gp games are almost everytime played 3v3.If a team builds 2 altars, they lose at the spot because of 600 kröwn deficit.So building an Altar is a bit dependent on your team and the enemy team. On the other hand if somehow game delays after 802 teams with more altars have a huge advantage because after that point fames are around 400-600 and altar is much beneficial. But from what I see teams with more altars usually lose at 802 so I don't bother building it at all.

[Rogulair]

Originally posted by Fortytudo:

Originally posted by Alparslan:

But from what I see teams with more altars usually lose at 802 so I don't bother building it at all.

This is whats so sad about the current meta. The games last 20-30 min at best, so theres no chance to do anything else other than build a basic eco and spam military for 802 attack, which gets stale very fast. So yeah, Altar in the current high rank meta is not an option, which is a damn shame.

Somehow people have managed to make even this game boring at high ranks.

Can't say anything but that's true a sad story...as of now it's best to just expand and have enough food just right amount of kröwn to kill every thing.

[Rogulair]

I'm actually Fenrir player. Second stone is purely optional that I'm doing while clearing may way thought. with 4 wood cutter or 3 and 1 miner 5 at food 4 for warband 3 sailor 1 scout the reserve are 2 healer and a few villagers building 2 more barrack at late 802 after they forged artifacts. I find that it's easier to repleteness the losses if I have each resource with upgrade building and 9 villager on food and gold, while wood can be manage without without any upgrade and switch between healer and fresh villagers.

I usually go with a warcheif 4 warriors and 3 white wolves 1 shield and 1 axe thrower
and two more warrior would be added before end of 802 if I'm going for attack and start recruiting more of sailors/merchants after I hit maximum positive happiness with. With total of 10 fighters a warcheif and 3 wolves, tactician and four military lore with 1 Food 1 Kröwns 1 healer upgraded.

I usually do not find a use for top lore. and this actually works well with field as I can use two farmers to lore stone in winter and extra wood/miner to rush 3 lore marks for carpenter just before winters end.

By the end of 801 I already build 2 wood cutters 2 food buildings a barack and 2 mines I I usually upgrade a trade building around mid winter.

In 802 I start upgrade a food building add third food tiles a healer huts and a smith finished early summer, I start building relic soon after while constantly clearing and scouting.

in winter I start looking for stone and way to attack, clearing with one warrior and some time scout and a chief.

I can attack in early 802 with 4 fighters if I'm making relic or 6 if I don't and more if I get lucky with tomb and ship wreck, but my eco will suffer for this so I usually don't over recuit if I have to clear my way through.

in late or mid 802 without an altar I would be full ready for the full on assault, without a dragged in my eco.

[ajrenalin]

I hardly build one (but i do sometimes). By the time i have the amount of resources needed to buy it I'm already at end game. Most times i usually claim one when i take opponents territory.