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Fauxsteel Feb 27, 2021 @ 6:52am
Lynx Clan
I just bought the Lynx Clan last night and I don't see the hate. It's not 'stronk klan', but it's clearly one of the better DLCs as far as content goes.

It's not inherently weak either. In fact its early game is trivial. How this clan is getting a balance update (most likely buffs) in the near future and not Dragon Clan ( at least for content) is out of this world.

This Clan feels like as if Bear and Wolf had a baby, without being overpowered.

Why the hate for Lynx - it's a really good DLC.
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Gummiel Feb 27, 2021 @ 7:40am 
Originally posted by Fauxsteel:
I just bought the Lynx Clan last night and I don't see the hate. It's not 'stronk klan', but it's clearly one of the better DLCs as far as content goes.

It's not inherently weak either. In fact its early game is trivial. How this clan is getting a balance update (most likely buffs) in the near future and not Dragon Clan ( at least for content) is out of this world.

This Clan feels like as if Bear and Wolf had a baby, without being overpowered.

Why the hate for Lynx - it's a really good DLC.
You forgetting in the world of online RTS, either something is the the most optimal or completle thrash, there is no middle ground. Or at least that seem to be the logic of many people
Fauxsteel Feb 27, 2021 @ 8:32am 
Originally posted by Enso Gummiel:
Originally posted by Fauxsteel:
I just bought the Lynx Clan last night and I don't see the hate. It's not 'stronk klan', but it's clearly one of the better DLCs as far as content goes.

It's not inherently weak either. In fact its early game is trivial. How this clan is getting a balance update (most likely buffs) in the near future and not Dragon Clan ( at least for content) is out of this world.

This Clan feels like as if Bear and Wolf had a baby, without being overpowered.

Why the hate for Lynx - it's a really good DLC.
You forgetting in the world of online RTS, either something is the the most optimal or completle thrash, there is no middle ground. Or at least that seem to be the logic of many people

Even just messing around with the clan, it's quite optimal with the multi arrows on leveled up archers; they're a really strong clan in large spats. they do what Dragon Clan tries, but better.

Their food economy is average (maybe above average if you're willing to deal with the micro management on lures).

The arrow options are amazing. Putting the Archery Camp on hotkey and swapping based on situation is clutch as heck. I genuinely think this may be their best DLC.
Drop a line of Shield Bearers and watch your archers multi-fire everything down. I'm genuinely impressed with this DLC.
Fauxsteel Feb 27, 2021 @ 3:24pm 
Originally posted by Hollow:
There have been threads created around this already. Search function.

...From Aug. 2020?
Sir Marillion Feb 27, 2021 @ 6:09pm 
As a new player I really like the Lynx clan. It's fun and it feels unique!
One of my fav clan, right after the Dragon :P
OrcSlayer Feb 28, 2021 @ 12:11am 
Yeah really funny for new players but not balanced for pvp.
AVER Feb 28, 2021 @ 12:57am 
I feel it's not suited for any victory unless it's played against an easy AI (not even domination).
Spoils of plenty is meh compared to eradication.
They get no exp from draugr and enemies.
Lure may be dangerous and requires more healers and archers that worsen your already not so great economy.
You get a 500 fame bonus to sacrifice your chief to summon animals with HPs depleting over time.
gleipnir is situational.
Lynxes are more like snow leopards and unless they get nimble paws lore they are kinda snowflakes.

These are my feelings on the clan. I don't hate it, honestly appreciate they tried to do something new, but it's not good either
Fauxsteel Feb 28, 2021 @ 5:30am 
Originally posted by AVER:
I feel it's not suited for any victory unless it's played against an easy AI (not even domination).
Spoils of plenty is meh compared to eradication.
They get no exp from draugr and enemies.
Lure may be dangerous and requires more healers and archers that worsen your already not so great economy.
You get a 500 fame bonus to sacrifice your chief to summon animals with HPs depleting over time.
gleipnir is situational.
Lynxes are more like snow leopards and unless they get nimble paws lore they are kinda snowflakes.

These are my feelings on the clan. I don't hate it, honestly appreciate they tried to do something new, but it's not good either

I used it against my friend (for funzies). I won via domination, so I can't speak much for the other conditions.

I don't think lures are meant to be spammed. They're great for winter downtime (if you've taken fur in the military tree) and I tend to only do it for a one and done for the archer buffs or if I need to buff up new ones). During the other seasons, I would pressure other tiles with the spirits gained from the winter hunt (they are incredibly good for keeping melee off of your archtards while they multi-arrow or tower burn).

Never found a use for the relic. Seems like one of those, "oh I took their tile but I'm not ready to take it myself and it just so happens to be a chokepoint" niche things.

It's certainly not the best clan, but it's unique and the archers are good for kiting.
Lynx does really well against other niche clans like Horse or Dragonballs.

I could be biased due to it being a new toy.

Kirjath Mar 8, 2021 @ 5:05pm 
Originally posted by Fauxsteel:
I just bought the Lynx Clan last night and I don't see the hate. It's not 'stronk klan', but it's clearly one of the better DLCs as far as content goes.

It's not inherently weak either. In fact its early game is trivial. How this clan is getting a balance update (most likely buffs) in the near future and not Dragon Clan ( at least for content) is out of this world.

This Clan feels like as if Bear and Wolf had a baby, without being overpowered.

Why the hate for Lynx - it's a really good DLC.
I'll preface this by saying that I like the Lynx clan. In terms of sheer enjoyment, they probably rate among my favorites in terms of DLC clans. That said, I also think the Lynx clan is just...not a good clan to play. In fact, I think they might just be a bad clan.

I'll try to unpack this in as little space as possible, but I'm not great at brevity so I'll include a TL;DR at the end. To begin with, let's take a look at victory types. What can Lynx do? It's average (that is to say, no better or worse than the majority of clans) at Wisdom or Fame victories. Lynx clan doesn't have any particular lore bonuses to these victory types, but they're not forbidden from pursuing them (like Snake and Fame). As for Trade, Lynx gets one lore, which actually hinders their pursuit of the Trade victory (since you need Shipbuilding for that), and also doesn't do a lot to help them in krown generation, so I'd put them at average for a Trade victory too.

So what does that leave Lynx with? Map Special is one, but it varies depending on the map, so it's tough to say which clans have a real benefit here. The other is Domination, which seems like the likely path to go with Lynx since most of their unique lores are in that middle tree. And is Lynx good at Domination? Well...kinda? Sorta? They get the two unique Lynx characters and a really subpar warchief. All of which are best used in the early game. As you noted, their ability to clear adjacent territories is great, and it is. Their ability to fight enemy armies is a bit less great. Without the Nimble Paws lore, the two cats fight more like kittens against most enemy armies, which is unfortunate. The clan's other benefit is the Tracker, but that leads me to my next frustration.

Collecting Hides is just a manner of micromanaging tomfoolery. You are encouraged to create your mystical lure somewhere in your territory, so that you can harvest food from it with hunters (since Lynx clan is one of the ONLY clans that has no real economy benefits anywhere in their lore tree that aren't generic). The downside to this is that you invite attacks on yourself every two minutes. At first, just a tower and a few hunters (and some micromanagement) can hold the waves off fine. But by the time you get three bears and some wolves, you'll need your actual army there. So you have to destroy the lures every now and again to "reset" them and to stop your territory from being ravaged by something you yourself set up. And then you also have to get Trackers to kill these beasts so that you get the most out of their benefits too. Trackers who can't die and can't be replaced, otherwise the entire benefit is lost. This is all before counting the cost of having to repair towers and heal anything that was wounded during these hunts. All of this distracts you from spending your time and resources into actually winning the game, and can quite possibly leave you open to being attacked by an opponent.

So with Lynx clan, your battle plan is to spend food to have monsters attack your territory, so that you can try to get a small edge over an opponent who gets better combat benefits from just their clan lore and focusing their economy and time on not attacking themselves.

This isn't even getting to the other micromanagement problems with this clan. Want to best use your Lynxes? Always lead with the white one, since he's the tank. Want to do lots of damage? The brown Lynx has to constantly disengage and reengage to apply that claw strike debuff. Want to best use your Trackers? Better have that building hotkeyed so you can change their arrows on the fly, and hope you don't get that bug where half of them stop attacking on an arrow switch. And make sure your Trackers are constantly present at those lures so you can get that damage boost.

It goes on and on. I could go in to this in way more depth, especially in regards to their subjectively lame conquest bonuses (less wood on Tracker arrows? I honestly never noticed the wood consumption in the first place), but for now I think this is a good place to leave it.

TL;DR My frustrations about the clan can be primarily summed up like this: it requires 100% more micromanagement to get about 25% less results than any other clan currently available. Not great Fame or Lore bonuses outside of Nimble Paws. Would some buffs help this out? Maybe, I don't know. I honestly think their design is just a bit clunky in the end. Fun, but clunky.
Elaeus Mar 9, 2021 @ 3:55am 
Totally agree with the one above.
Even with other average clans they don't do much. Once you tried others and begin to learn how to micromanage just a little bit you will understand how they are not good (I never said not fun but not good).
They should be fun on paper but tend to suffer from some bugs and lots of inconvenience that other clan don't have.

You have already the answer on which victory they are limited (granted you want to use what they are "good" at). You are basically running a Domination victory and they should early rush if you don't want other clans to late stomp Lynx.
Let's talk economy here : no bonus on any production whatsoever. And nothing will help them in that matter (Thane lvl, Jarl lvl and lores). You are basically running on raw economy so you will suffer even more from map generation. Ex : you don't have 2 adjacent food tiles? well you're already in a rough spot.

- They are injuring themselves on wood production from archers

- They don't produce more food and they injure themselves by needing to sustain their archers if they want to buff them on the lure. Not to mention you'll have to heal them every 3 months which prevents healers from gathering food. Cats will need to roam pretty early and often to get their furs so healers will have to heal accordingly and 3 Draugrs are already a threat to the 2 of them.

- They don't produce more krowns unless you sell a big amount of furs and I don't find their prices that worthy. You also need them for your military perks depending on what you want (and if you roam with the kitties you will need their 2-3 military perks before arrows, archers won't be efficient roamers). If you sell them you're basically denying yourself military exp which won't respawn for some golds. It will never be a worth trade to me.

- Furs needed for military perks scale fast. The amount needed after the 3rd lore is extremly expensive imo. So choose VERY wisely unless you want to spend 2 years getting the amount you are willing to gather.

- Happiness lore is inexistant, your development is pretty stagnant before Baldr's gift.

- Their "warchiefs" are very meh. Lynxes die very fast, they have very little hp despite their health bar, the granny too and they don't compensate in terms of damage output. Oskoreia seems cool but their health depletes VERY fast so they'll be around for 1 tile granted the ennemy won't defend. If the opponent can spare the tile they will just let you take the tile, wait for the beasts despawn and prepare for the counter attack.

Bear and Wolf both have much more advantages than Lynx on almost everything.

- First off both of them have a strong Relic (even if Bear has been nerfed to hell) and are tied to their preferred victories so they are mandatory.

Economy is better on almost every aspects :
- Food :
Bear suffers less from winter which is something Lynx clearly can't. They have a Thane lvl prod boost of your CHOOSING.
Wolf can sustain low reserves by roaming and expand VERY fast by clearing tiles they also can buy tiles with Thane lvl fro free which is very easy to reach given their food production. They also can sustain their army through lore.

- Gold :
Wolf clearing again and attacking the opponent.

- Happiness :
Bear can easily get the amount of happiness needed by building war camps which you ultimately want for their victory (or defense if you really want to go on another way).
Wolf sustain happiness with the same lore as for food. Not to mention your army is producing happiness too (base perk of Wolf clan).

- War :
Bear : once they get the winter lore, they will crush Lynx on winter as they have better defense. Let's say they aim at a farm, you're pretty much dead. Kadja is also a good way to tank so the cleaning of tiles won't require too many soldiers.
Wolf : Their whole gold and food economy is based on war. Also the warchief may have less life but he hits like an ox so it helps for fast clearing (also add the fact that your first soldier is free which is the complete opposite of the cats that slows roaming or expansion).
Last edited by Elaeus; Mar 9, 2021 @ 3:55am
HikariHaku Mar 9, 2021 @ 4:21am 
Lynx is very similliar to Snake with tricky military and war-oriented playstile. But does not have enough power to competite with other clans. While Snake takes advantages from harrasing popponenrt, Lynx fights neutrals. To fight lures you probably prefer to have some military, but you not have any reliable economic techs to afford constant military as Wolf and Snake do. Your only economic tech is terrible replacement of pretty useful general one. Lynx has a very interesting ideas, but I had a serious problem to complete his extreme conquest. So clan is good, but strongly lacjs reblancing (just coupe of buffs won't be enough). Last "weakling" Kraken felt stronger, but was buffed a lot.
Falameezar Mar 10, 2021 @ 12:46am 
Originally posted by Fauxsteel:
I just bought the Lynx Clan last night and I don't see the hate. It's not 'stronk klan', but it's clearly one of the better DLCs as far as content goes.

It's not inherently weak either. In fact its early game is trivial. How this clan is getting a balance update (most likely buffs) in the near future and not Dragon Clan ( at least for content) is out of this world.

This Clan feels like as if Bear and Wolf had a baby, without being overpowered.

Why the hate for Lynx - it's a really good DLC.
There was a balancing patch mid December. There were fragile at the beginning but now they are awesome.
OrcSlayer Mar 10, 2021 @ 1:37am 
Originally posted by Falameezar:
Originally posted by Fauxsteel:
I just bought the Lynx Clan last night and I don't see the hate. It's not 'stronk klan', but it's clearly one of the better DLCs as far as content goes.

It's not inherently weak either. In fact its early game is trivial. How this clan is getting a balance update (most likely buffs) in the near future and not Dragon Clan ( at least for content) is out of this world.

This Clan feels like as if Bear and Wolf had a baby, without being overpowered.

Why the hate for Lynx - it's a really good DLC.
There was a balancing patch mid December. There were fragile at the beginning but now they are awesome.

just lol
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