Finished first time - great game!

[Astral Projection]

I finished BG 1 and BG2 back in the day but never got around to this one. Excellent job on the Enhanced Edition. In 32 hours I had a couple crashes on zoning but nothing else major.

- was pure class Fighter throughout, which worked out well given how much combat there is

- accidentally got turned Chaotic Evil because of two quests I was unable to complete:

- I had to had to slaughter the Dead Nations to exit - after doing all quests I could not get the key

- had to kill Kesai-Serris in the Brothel to get her blood - after doing the entire questline I talked to her without a handkerchief, when I finally got one later she wouldn't talk about the quest

- got the "bad" (???) ending I think where TNO goes to fight the Blood War

Even with the evil ending, game was still a lot of fun with super memorable characters. If any setting deserves another game badly it's Planescape.

[GrimSentinel]

There's not really a "good" and "bad" ending. No matter how much good you do, you still go to fight in the Blood War at the end because of the crimes of past incarnations (especially the first incarnation). Whether the ending is "good" or "bad" is a matter of perspective.

[St. Haborym]

How did you kill the last boss? Weapons or words?

Also, take some time and stew on it a bit. Took me a lifetime to actually get it. And even then, I could come back in another 15 years and understand it even better then. I probably will understand it better then even if I don't come back to it.

Some helpful materials to help you better understand it are Calvin and Hobbes, the Principia Discordia, Buddhist literature, the bible, The Matrix, Groundhog's Day, Plato's cave, Nietzschean literature, Camus's literature, the koran, hanging out and talking to your friendly neighborhood homeless, drug addicted prostitutes, Brain in a Jar, Cogito ergo sum, Sigmund, Carl, Karl, 1984, Animal Farm, that author who shares a name with the evil clown from ff6 and wrote a book about bugs, learning math, learning physics, learning biology, working as a cashier at a supermarket and developing suicidal depression, taking so many drugs that time stops to physically exist and your sense of self dies*. And the list goes on and on.

Disclaimer: the author has not actually experienced ego death. Yet.

[N°6 Kapitän Traumtor]

im experiencing a really big issue with the game... I feel like I just cant finish it whithout using solutions because im sorry but most of quests from lower wards and clercks ward makes no sens... I mean even reading hints and solutions I cant understand how to find the ravel maze... It just makes no sens, I read i had to speak to someone called "coaxmetal" name in french at least but that I had to speak to lazlo just before If I want him to appear... ????? How could I manage to figure this out myself without reading it??? Even after I spoke to lazlo I cant find the guyy, there's something about an object about a cube???? I never heard anything about something like that during my game why should I go buy it to find ravel.. It doesnt makes sense Im starting to feel anrgy about the game... Honestly all the second part is starting to be garbage for me after 40 hours spent in the game I mean all the clercks sqaure fedex chained quests were pure waist of time honestly... I just dont understand the connexions how people at the release period been able to finish the game without internet ? Did you guys spent 200 hours trying to unlock new conversation with all NPC's available??? Well... Sorry for my bad english... I want to enjoy that game so much and I really want to finish it but I feel so sorry not getting the logic of some quests...

[Astral Projection]

Originally posted by St. Hobo:

How did you kill the last boss? Weapons or words?

Killed him with weapons. By that point TNO was Fighter with 25 STR, 200+ HP, and -10 AC so he went down pretty easy. Resurrected Morte and Annah to help.

Rest of post lol.

[Astral Projection]

Originally posted by Manuel Vroom'Nuer:

im experiencing a really big issue with the game... I feel like I just cant finish it whithout using solutions because im sorry but most of quests from lower wards and clercks ward makes no sens... I mean even reading hints and solutions I cant understand how to find the ravel maze... It just makes no sens, I read i had to speak to someone called "coaxmetal" name in french at least but that I had to speak to lazlo just before If I want him to appear... ????? How could I manage to figure this out myself without reading it??? Even after I spoke to lazlo I cant find the guyy, there's something about an object about a cube???? I never heard anything about something like that during my game why should I go buy it to find ravel.. It doesnt makes sense Im starting to feel anrgy about the game... Honestly all the second part is starting to be garbage for me after 40 hours spent in the game I mean all the clercks sqaure fedex chained quests were pure waist of time honestly... I just dont understand the connexions how people at the release period been able to finish the game without internet ? Did you guys spent 200 hours trying to unlock new conversation with all NPC's available??? Well... Sorry for my bad english... I want to enjoy that game so much and I really want to finish it but I feel so sorry not getting the logic of some quests...

I used the wiki heavily:

http://torment.wikia.com/wiki/Torment_Wiki

I think it is valid criticism that many of the quests are not really that logical. The journal is insufficient so unless you are taking copious notes by hand, a wiki might be required.

[N°6 Kapitän Traumtor]

@Astral Projection well... I think I need to get back to the game later I feel like maybe Im too impatient and calibrated by modern games orientations... Lets see in few weeks, time for BG2 now :D

[Mr Hanky]

Originally posted by Astral Projection:

Originally posted by St. Hobo:

How did you kill the last boss? Weapons or words?

Killed him with weapons. By that point TNO was Fighter with 25 STR, 200+ HP, and -10 AC so he went down pretty easy. Resurrected Morte and Annah to help.

Rest of post lol.

Sounds like a 2nd playthrough is in order, worth playing with high Wisdom so you can get more dialogue out of people, the unique world and plot aside, the writing is the main draw of the game for me personally.

[Doomguy]

Man, I wish I could finish this game, but after trying 3 times (first 2 with original, 3rd with EE) I have had it break at some point. =\

[Vampire Detective]

My friend, Glen, thinks the world of this game. Per his recommendation, I was eager to try it. I hope I will finish this game one day (like you) and enjoy it, immensely.

I've only gotten past the tutorial area and I have little desire to keep going. One day.

[Astral Projection]

I'm not sure you can "break" the game. Its just that some of the quests aren't really intuitive with little to no clue what you have to do next. You just have to read walkthroughs.

[Red Star, Blood Moon]

Originally posted by Manuel Vroom'Nuer:

im experiencing a really big issue with the game... I feel like I just cant finish it whithout using solutions because im sorry but most of quests from lower wards and clercks ward makes no sens... I mean even reading hints and solutions I cant understand how to find the ravel maze... It just makes no sens, I read i had to speak to someone called "coaxmetal" name in french at least but that I had to speak to lazlo just before If I want him to appear... ????? How could I manage to figure this out myself without reading it??? Even after I spoke to lazlo I cant find the guyy, there's something about an object about a cube???? I never heard anything about something like that during my game why should I go buy it to find ravel.. It doesnt makes sense Im starting to feel anrgy about the game... Honestly all the second part is starting to be garbage for me after 40 hours spent in the game I mean all the clercks sqaure fedex chained quests were pure waist of time honestly... I just dont understand the connexions how people at the release period been able to finish the game without internet ? Did you guys spent 200 hours trying to unlock new conversation with all NPC's available??? Well... Sorry for my bad english... I want to enjoy that game so much and I really want to finish it but I feel so sorry not getting the logic of some quests...

It's one of those old school games. Thing is though you'll be told what to do you're not told where and how to do it as much, which is something people made fun of Witcher for doing by holding your hold through everything showing you exactly where to go and so on. My god, I've played some really old games this year and forgot how many don't even give you a map.

The key thing to keep in mind is that a lot of the older crpgs were made by and for people who did things like got together to play Dungeon's and Dragons, which means you'd have to ask a lot of questions and make a lot of roles and explore numerous things on your quest which was often just a vague objective. Games like Fallout did the same thing.