Best RPG ever made!

[Jsebas78]

Some will argue that BG2 is better but in my book, Planescape Torment is the ultimate RPG and by a long shot.

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Stoibs původně napsal:

Torment Tides is fine for me, I'm about 40hrs in and really feel as though I should put everything else aside and just finish it ASAP, since I know Planescape will suck me right in once I start my replay properly :)

Hmm Mask of the Betrayer.. now there's one I often hear spoken of in high regard. Never did play that one myself. I bought one of those everything Diamond editions of the game a little after release, went through the NWN2 campaign and *one* of the expansions (Storm of Zehir I believe) and was a bit burnt out after that.
Subsequent and recent attempts to replay NWN2 have been met with certain technical oddities (Some odd stuttering/jittering thing), crashing, and just an annoyance at the unintuitive camera/UI controls compared to others of the genre. I should really try to make the attempt to play this expansion at some point considering how often I hear it praised.

Stuttering might be caused by V-Sync. Crashing I'm guessing is mod related? Some mods might require Mysteries of Westgate expansion which I think only comes with GOG's Complete edition.

Camera controls can be improved greatly by changing the key bindings. You can configure it however you want across three different modes. The default bindings are weird but they can be undone, and scroll speed can be changed too.

I use only Character Mode and Strategy Mode; Character Mode for exploration, for which I use a third person camera and a DA:O/KOTOR control scheme. Strategy Mode is for combat and is controlled like any 3D isometric game really, e.g. Divinity: Original Sin and XCOM. WASD moves the camera, point and click movement, scroll wheel to zoom. I did set up Exploration mode as well which I set to be like Strategy Mode except locked on the player character, but I never use it. Just play around with the camera customization and you should be able to get it where you want it.

[strekalalex84]

Darkeus původně napsal:

Yeah, I have had NWN 2 for years and nevr got to Mask of the Betrayer yet. Which is sad actually lol

It's definitely way more unique and flavorful than the main campaign, and it was the closest I felt to something like Torment in that regard. The fact that it makes use of the Shadow Realm and a range of unique elements from 3rd edition D&D is part of it.

[strekalalex84]

GND Jester původně napsal:

strekalalex84 původně napsal:

Subjectively speaking (wink wink), I'd say Mask of the Betrayer and DA:O were the last two genuinely good AAA bioware titles, and that since then, the Witcher franchise basically stole their torch as far as quality AAA RPG's.

NWN 2 Mask of the Betrayer was Obsidian. BioWare can never reach that level of writing depth and quality, and they don't care to achieve that level of role-playing either. That game is actually a worthy spiritual successor to Planescape: Torment, unlike Torment: Tides of Numenera which is a bad joke.

I will say the last great AAA RPG I've played was Fallout: New Vegas which turns 7 years old this year. Planescape: Torment Enhanced Edition means a lot to me considering that.

Yea, correction noted. I'd ammend to say those were the last two major RPG releases aside from the Witcher 2 and 3 that I thought were really good. Fallout 3 and New Vegas were good as well. Unfortunately Fallout 4 largely neutered the RPG core of things so I didn't get it. The reason I mention the Witcher games is because I haven't really seen anything comparable in quality on the AAA American side of things since around the era of New Vegas and DA:O.

I was cynical about Tides of Numenera from when I first saw the kickstarter announced, since it abandoned the Planescape setting and thus seemed like somewhat misleading marketing. I sort of was able to set that fact aside and anticipated it as its own game that wants to recapture the feel of Torment, so I waited and got it on release. It's okay for what it is, but it really doesn't live up to its own hype and is riddled with some pretty bad core decisions.

I think part of the reason for the negative reviews is that many of us who are Torment veterans are cynical and hoped it would have been better done in some regards.

[Dreamfall]

Thadeus původně napsal:

1st. Planescape: Torment
2nd. Fallout 2
3rd. Baldur's Gate 2
4th. Knights of the old Republic.
5th. Mass Effect 2 & 3

Your 1,2,and 3 are right on. Only I put 1. Torment, 2. BG2, and 3. Fallout 2

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^ Mass Effect trilogy has too little role-playing to be rated so highly in my opinion, but at least it does strongly react to what it offers unlike Andromeda. Only you are limited to playing as either a benevolent hero or a more ruthless one.

[Azghouls]

Fallout 2 is one of the best I have ever played however, for me, Ultima IV was the best. It completely blew my mind waaay back then.

[Fork_Q2]

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MjK původně napsal:

And yet, you've all complained about Tides of Numeneras being a text game.
Go figure.

Who are you addressing here in the thread with such a baseless claim? Many of us here including yours truly absolutely love Tides of Numenera and the dialogue within..

He's sort of right, the negative/lukewarm reviews for PT on release mirror the same issues with Tides today: buggy, more of an interactive book than game, "weird setting", etc. Not that i have much of an opinion on Tides, only played a bit so far.

[Darkeus]

Fork_Q2 původně napsal:

Stoibs původně napsal:

Who are you addressing here in the thread with such a baseless claim? Many of us here including yours truly absolutely love Tides of Numenera and the dialogue within..

He's sort of right, the negative/lukewarm reviews for PT on release mirror the same issues with Tides today: buggy, more of an interactive book than game, "weird setting", etc. Not that i have much of an opinion on Tides, only played a bit so far.

See, I used to think this is true but it is not.

Planscape: Torment got EXCELLENT reviews when it came out and was running for Game of the Year.

It has a 91% rating on Metacritic for the reviews of its day.

It was the GAMERS that did not appreciate Planescape: Torment until later. It just didn't sell. Part of that was it had some nice bugs when it first came out.

Critics loved it. The players... well let us just say it is funny it is considered so great now when it was panned back in the day. It was gamers saying, "Too much text!" and "Too weird of a setting!"

Lol, Gamers have not really changed have they. ;-)

[Ar373]

1. Baldurs Gate 1
2. Baldurs Gate 2
3. Deus Ex 1
4. Gothic 1
5. Gothic 2

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killedbypropaganda původně napsal:

1. Baldurs Gate 1
2. Baldurs Gate 2
3. Deus Ex 1
4. Gothic 1
5. Gothic 2

Baldur's Gate has almost no role-playing though, and Deus Ex is only loosely inspired by RPGs although it is exceptional so I can't blame you for choosing it.

[bloodraven43]

cant believe divinity original sin isnt listed or the temple of elemental evil...both of them are cool too....as far as rpgs go, there are a ton of awesome games out there.

[Ar373]

I dont claim its totally objective, its just the games that impressed me most in my life. I havent played all RPGs out there either. As far as roleplaying goes it was never a big thing in old RPGs and just became common in recent years. It never bothered me much that there arent tons of ways to solve the main quests. In BG1 for example its also logical, no matter if youre good or evil you want to discover your past and kill Sarevok. I consider Deus Ex 1 as a RPG. It has decisions, quests, character development etc. The FPS elements are just an exciting way to handle the combat like the RTS elements in BG or the turn-based strategy elements in Fallout dont make these games less of a RPG.

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bloodraven43 původně napsal:

cant believe divinity original sin isnt listed or the temple of elemental evil...both of them are cool too....as far as rpgs go, there are a ton of awesome games out there.

Divinity: Original Sin does not have that much role-playing. The rule system is pretty good, having potential for far more role-playing than the game actually has. But there is very little dialogue variation, quests generally don't have many ways to complete them, thus you cannot really define your characters well at all or affect the world nearly as much as in other RPGs.

The Temple of Elemental Evil is mostly combat driven, but it is outstanding in that regard at least.

killedbypropaganda původně napsal:

I dont claim its totally objective, its just the games that impressed me most in my life. I havent played all RPGs out there either. As far as roleplaying goes it was never a big thing in old RPGs and just became common in recent years. It never bothered me much that there arent tons of ways to solve the main quests. In BG1 for example its also logical, no matter if youre good or evil you want to discover your past and kill Sarevok. I consider Deus Ex 1 as a RPG. It has decisions, quests, character development etc. The FPS elements are just an exciting way to handle the combat like the RTS elements in BG or the turn-based strategy elements in Fallout dont make these games less of a RPG.

The one thing you're wrong about here is that expansive role-playing has not become common in recent years, it has actually died down significantly in recent years. With regards to role-playing potential, Fallout, Fallout 2, Planescape: Torment, Arcanum, certain expansions for Neverwinter Nights, Neverwinter Nights 2 and all expansions, Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines, and even KOTOR 2 have a whole lot more than any RPG today. The only exception is Fallout: New Vegas which is comparable to those.

It is good that you mentioned how FPS mechanics do not take away from role-playing. Fallout: New Vegas and Vampire: The Masquerade - Bloodlines are the best examples of that. Deus Ex is only less of an RPG because you have less control over defining Denton's character physically, mentally, and through your actions.

[eddieg50]

1. Dragon age
2. mass effect 2 and 3
3. witcher 3
4. Kotor
5. BG 2

Planscape is good but not in the top 5, I would prob put it about 8th

[DerOger]

I still rate Ultima 7 higher :-P, but that's personal preference