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You know how it was left open who the First Incarnation is, and there are some fans who believe that he was Zerthimon. They based it on how TNO remember creating the Circle of Zerthimon and thus able to "learn" with Dak'kon. And in the ending how itwould fit with what was written if the player used the bronze sphere or how there are some Power or planar big wig (Gith or the current Githyanki Lich Queen) would go after him now that they know who he is. It was further fueled by one of the interview Chris Avellone did when he was asked about potential Planescape sequel plan from Blackisle Studio when he said:
It's a neat idea but I think the open nature fit the theme of the game better. I do enjoy reading about passionate fan theory as long as they are not too hell bent on convincing the rest of the world like some of those Mass Effect Indoctrination theoryTruthers
And speaking of fan theory, here is one of my own. Kreia, the grey Jedi who was also written by Chris Avellone is an actual incarnation of Ravel just like Ei'venne, Mebbeth, Marta (in PST), the blind woman in IWD2 but this can never be confirmed because Star War rights issue. Yes, Ravel is out to murder the Force after tackling with Changing the Nature of a Man :p
Check out Avellone on Ravel :
http://forums.obsidian.net/index.php?automodule=blog&blogid=1&showentry=91
Cool stuff on Ravel there, thanks!
I thought TNO could be Zerthimon as well. I mean, he made the Circle for Dak'kon. But didn't the Practical Incarnation pen the Circle as a way to use Dak'kon to get at the Zarach Blade? So Zerthimon may not even really exist, just a figment created by TNO to enslave Dak'kon and his people, with the grand scheme to get ahold of the Zarach blade at the end. That may even be TNO's big "sin" in the first place. It seems epic enough, at least.
Then again, if the Practical Incarnation was the second incarnation after the Good Incarnation, than what did the Evil/First guy actually do? It would have had to be worse than using Dak'kon and misleading him with the goal to steal the Zarach blade. Hmm. Or at least worse in TNO's mind.
And wow, I didn't know Avellone wrote Ravel and Gann. He said Kreia is inspired by Ravel, although didn't outright say that he wrote Kreia so now I wonder if he did. Avellone's talent impresses me more than any other single developer, how he had such a strong impact on most of the greatest RPGs.
I think Avellone got the credit for Kreia as he wrote most if not all her conversation as well as the lead designer for KOTOR. He is responsible for coming up with many haunting memorable characters that are layered and flawed. Fall from Grace, Ravel, Dak'kon are all his, KOTOR2 Kreia, Visa and Mira (not 100%) too, POE's Grieving Mother and Durance are the companion he wrote. He has consulted creatively for FTL2, Divinity Original Sin 2 and Prey recently. I am thinking about checking out FTL2 and I will definitely try out D:OS2
Firstly, a disclaimer. Blackisle denied this Zerthimon thing. I do not subscribe to it but I find it interesting and everything fits quite well. Dak'kon's doubt is about Zerthimon's being broken by the Illithids and that is why he split with Gith. Let's say that were true, this big lie lead to Zerthimon declaring There cannot be Two Skies and have his big throw down with Gith. Some say Gith killed him, some say he beat Gith and let her go, but the fact remains, he just disappear from history afterwards. The people is split, both side weakened and war with each other. The worse part of the story is that from PS material I read over the years, the split weaken the Gith people so much that Gith had to seek protection from Tiamet and Dispater both Infernal minor powers and Gith herself useas collateral for the pact. I mean, aren't those Powers involved in the Blood War.
So in summary, he split his people and let the ultra evil Illithid survive till today. Those who follow him had a hard life living in Limbo. Those that did not was force to make a pact with Tiamet probably got dragged into the Blood War and far worse. And throughout all this, what was he doing all this time? He went to the Grey Waste, subdue a Night Hag to find a way to escape his horrible fate. Yeah... if the First Incarnation is Zerthimon, he really have out done the Practical One by quite a bit.
Oh, and why I don't buy it. It fits too well. Sounds more like all too well researched story cooked up by the Practical One to break Dak'kon for his Blade.
For your reference, check out Githyanki wikipedia entry here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Githyanki
That is so crazy. So where the heck does the Paranoid Incarnation come in? Clearly he had time to devise traps, such as the sensory stone and what not. If he was the 3rd incarnation, he couldn't have been around very long.
What don't you buy exactly about that story? It does fit really well. But I guess the 2nd Incarnation basically admitted that he made that all up to get at Dak'kon's blade. So, does Zerthimon even exist? Are any of the writings true?
But to have outdone the Practical Incarnation, he (the original person) must have done something amazingly terrible, or at least convinced himself that he did something amazingly terrible, enough to seek immortality to avoid his fate. So it really, really seems like Zerthimon would be TNO. What else could be worse than splitting The People to war with each other forever? The People were the original beings in the Planes, right? Of what Planes again, exactly? Something about The False Worlds?
What relation does that war have with The Blood War, by the way? Couldn't that have actually been the start of The Blood War, when Zerthimon declared war on Gith?
By the way, all of this is incredibly interesting, so thank you for the little knowledge/lore drops here. I appreciate it. As soon as the EE gets proper mod support I am running through this baby again.
The Paranoid Incarnation is one of the most recent. Through dialogue it is confirmed he came after the Practical One, as the former modified the tomb trap made by the latter. Both of these incarnations are within the hundreds at the very least, considering the facts that Morte said he has traveled with hundreds of incarnations and both the Practical One and Paranoid One were recent considering how Deionarra's father is still alive (and it was the Practical One that pried him from the Pillar of Skulls).
There is clear conflict of having been with hundrates of TNO's if practical one was the one that rescued morte ( unless Deionaras father and pharod are extremely long lived) UNLESS, Morte has been in the pillar of skulls twice.
Remember what he said about TNO's previous incarnations? he said one chased him about thinking he's his skull and one of the lawfull good ones Showed him back to the pillar of skulls.
So perhaps he travelled with TNO, who rescued him from pillar, got shoved to pillar by another TNO, and then rescued again by practical one ?
Also TNO does not age, it's possible someone as smart as practical one lived century or two.
The Paranoid One is the incarnation that find out how to retain memory after dying. Of course the problem is that it will only happen after 3 deaths. So he is definitely 3 life time before the current Incarntion. I figure the Paranoid One is a bit after the Practical One because the Practical One have some choice words about the Paranoid one to indicate that the Practical One is dormant in the head just like the First but probably not so far in the past because Dieonnarra's father is still alive. Then again there is also the chance that the Practical One is one of the three lives before the current incarnation, TNO. But Xachariah is now worker #331 in the Mortuary, and the highest number working there is in the 1700s, so that support the Practical One should came before, otherwise 1400 people with Dustman contract died around Sigil in 3 of TNO lifetime (that's a bit high, no?).
In any case, I am fairly confident to say Practical, Paranoid and the current incarnation are reasonably close probably within a hundred years because paranoid timeline is fixed to 3 lifes before TNO, and many of Practical contacts, some mortal are still alive. The mortals have limited lifetime. And given enough time, even those contacts that are immortal would likely get rubbed off by The Transcendent One in order to keep TNO in the dark.
Like I said, it is just too convenient. The simpler explanation is it is something the Practical One cooked up to put doubt in Dak'kon. And it's not too hard, pick historic figures that disappear a long time ago. Find out the most remote historical detail about them, and make crap up about those tiny little detail, you can make any theory fit. Look at Elvis, Bruce Lee, apparently they never die. Oh, let's not forget about how many people believe in the Da Vinci Code verbatim. :p
I enjoy the story (both Da Vinci Code and TNO=Zerthimon) but I don't have to believe in them. I especially enjoy this one because it enhance the experience. I believe that is exactly what the Practical One did. I can almost imagine that scheming jerk putting up an act before Dak'kon. He rescue Dak'kon, explore his faith with him. Teach Dak'kon stuff that even Dak'kon doesn't know about Zerthimon because he spent the time to research the most remote detail about Zerthimon. Just when Dak'kon treat him as friend and a fellow seeker of knowledge of Zerthimon's teaching. He came up with the notion that maybe Zerthimon was broken (It's like, hey maybe Jesus have a kid and she founded the Merovingian Dynasty). When Dak'kon wonder how did TPO *knows Zerthimon was broken? "Because maybe I am him." See that? That fits the Practical One better than this theory fits Zerthimon.
And if he were indeed Zerthimon, then for sure the crime is worse than TPO. IMHO, TPO is ruthless and laser focus to defend himself from his nemesis (Trancendent One). He doesn't go out of his way to cause death and destruction unless it fits his purpose of overly aggressive self defense. The "Broken Zerthimon" is someone that split his people base on his own weakness and cowardice. That split enable the continual survival of the Illithids, interplanar slaver and destroyers of free will. The divided people were weak. His half of the people went to live/hide in Nimbo the very hostile plane of pure chaos which is completely against his people's nature. The other half was forced to aligned with Powers from Inferno (Hell); powers that are participant of the all consuming Blood War. And instead of fixing or making even smallest gesture of amend to these crimes by at the least leading his half of the divided people, he was selfish enough to just up and run away to go find a way to cheat his own personal fate. Mind you, that same fate he likely damn the other half (Gith's followers) of his people to. That is really going out of his way to be a selfish douch.
There is a legend among the Zerth that Zerthimon would one day return. Maybe one day is the day PS:T ends. He should come back just to kick TNO's butt because one of his more colorful incarnation (TPO) really mess up his people by planting a doubt that destroyed the largest Githzerai fortress, probably killing the 2M inhabitant there in the process.
It's possible, but I always just figured that Morte was once TNO's companion when he was human, since he said the reason he ended up on the pillar was because he sent one of his incarnations to his death with a lie, suggesting he was once a human companion to TNO. But even then, hundreds of short lived incarnations is still a lot, and Morte is a liar so your theory is credible.
Not necessarily companion, might just have been a random ne'er-do-well who got TNO killed accidentally. Like, tricked him into walking into an ambush he expected to be just for thievery.
He becomes a companion for atonement. And pays for it, dearly, with how abusive TNO could get.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Morte may be the one who pointed the First Incarnation to Ravel which created this whole sordid mess. And that may be the crime that put him (Morte) on the Pillar. Of course the implication is that Morte actually know who the First is and he just lie about it. He wouldn't do that to us, would he?
And you know what, I am guessing that the tattoo about "don't trust the skull" was put there by the Practical One. He is the one that went the farthest and breach the fortress. He probably found out everything about Morte :p