god power strategy

[grommile]

So I'm currently on ~48k god power spent and 8106 (effective 9533) crystal power, and I've just hit the landmark of 10 million clones / 250 Clone Count. I have:

All TBS GP purchases
250 total creation count
10 million total clone count
+10120% CS from GP (total after CP, RTI, and pet equip: 16875%)
+16730% BS from GP (total after CP, RTI, and pet equip: 23527%)
Pet half stats
Preselect Might
Improved Next At
2E9 statistic multi boost

Highest god is PBv48 (I have 3 UBCs completed).

What's my most effective God Power option at this point?

[bhaktivedanta]

Depends a lot on your play-style, I would say, but first some general points:
- More clones are always good, as they are flexible.
- Build speed and clones should be in a certain balance, the relative cost effectiveness of BS vs clones is (roughly):
(clones_build + 20,000)*BS_raw / ((BS_raw + 175)*clones_build) =: x.

clones_build is the number of clones you are actually using for building, BS_raw is the raw value without CP, etc.,, this is 100% base + BP purchased via GP.

If x > 1, buying more clones is more effective in order to build faster otherwise, build speed is.

- More creation count decreases overall divinity costs of creating stuff due to lower ingredients per product ratios. The efficiency gain should be minor (irrelevant) at 250 CC, however.

- Here is a play-style factor: How long do you want to sit and wait, for your clones to reach max, so you can allocate them? If the answer is "not very long" and you also do not want to burn through summon-items, increasing the CC may make the game more playable for you and this increase the practical efficiency. This is especially true, if you rebirth several times a day.

- Your x as defined above is currently close to 1, so BS wise it will not matter whether you buy clones or BS. I recommend clones, actually I have a lot more clones than optimal in terms of build speed, as I try to get a lot of might per RB, but that again is about play-style.

[rarestMeow]

hello,

its is debatable and depends on what challenges you are planning to do next and what you already did

the golden rule here - boost clones & CC unless you need CS/BS for specific challenges or climbing. at some point of the game you no longer need to invest GP into CS/BS at all, and can increase them solely from CP, RTI and pet-equip. so from a long-term investment perspective it is wiser to buy more clones/CC, balance them to the point where you can get all clones in 15-20min from rebirth

if you going to do NDMC, then obviously you need more CS: to the point that last challenge need about 300,000 CS to finish it comfortably in ~3 day

if you want to delve into 1KBHC then you need a lot of BS, like 250,000 BS to finish in under 24h

AAC, on other hand, doesn't require not BS nor CS - just wait for 2-3 days and build 3 Universes

also, for some challenges having a huge sum of GP in bank (boni) is more important than spending them to various perks, like in various multi-reset challenges. I was doing NRCs with ~30000 of banked GP and finished each of them in ~12-14h which was faster for me than spending them all on clones/CC/BS/CS according to spreadsheets

so just tell about what challenges you already did and what you plan to do next, it will be much easier to give recommendations

[grommile]

GPC 10/25
UUC 10/45
MMC 7/40
AAC 33/50 (currently working through these)
BHC 40/40
UPC 5/20
CPC 3/25
NDMC 1/21
SDC 3/20
DRC 25/25 (of course)
GSC 6/26
NDC 1/25
1kCC 2/40
PBC 3/25
UBC 2/50 (not sure why I said 3 in the OP...)
CBC 5/25
DBC PBv10
DUC 2197 universes
DPC 879882 multiplier
DMC 7426 might
RTI PBv15

[sfnhltb]

Originally posted by bhaktivedanta:

- Build speed and clones should be in a certain balance, the relative cost effectiveness of BS vs clones is (roughly):
(clones_build + 20,000)*BS_raw / ((BS_raw + 175)*clones_build) =: x.

clones_build is the number of clones you are actually using for building, BS_raw is the raw value without CP, etc.,, this is 100% base + BP purchased via GP.

If x > 1, buying more clones is more effective in order to build faster otherwise, build speed is.

Why would your raw bs matter in the decision of whether to buy clones or BS, rather than the figure including the effect from CP?

[rarestMeow]

I went a little overboard

tl;dr: Clones + CC > BS = CP >> CS. pet's growth matter a lot

UUC 10/45

finish that challenge asap - extra levels on planet (reward) will significantly help with other tasks later (especially multi-reset challenges like NDC, 1kCC, PBC)
the fastest way to do it - level divgen to something like 0/25/25, then exchange 5GP to divinity and build a universe. should take no more than 15-25min depending on BS

MMC 7/40

another challenge that you must do earlier before moving to next ones. more BS will help you here (you have enough clones/CC for it)

UBHC 0/xxx

finish 1-2-3 challenges for cheap challenge points. for later challenges you need a huge number of BS (300k at least)

UPC 5/20

finish that challenge as soon as possible too. game is centered around pets and the more buffs you get for them the better your performance will be. I finished it with 17 pets with total growth of 119k. extra GP purchases are not required because UPC is all about pets and their Item Campaign

AAC 33/50

a good lazy challenge. no need to have great BS/CS/Clones/CC - just assign clones and wait for a bit. while finishing them levelup your RTI and Might levels

PMC 0/50

after getting good enough planet (UUC + DBC, something in lv 80-90 range) and completing AAC consider that challenge because it is another one of those lazy challenges where you just assign clones on Powersurge and wait until the end. the more clones you have the better. I finished that challenge with 21m clones in total

UBV2C 0/10

good challenge that you need to finish soon too. completing all 10 will unlock auto-kill feature - after leveling Physical Attack+ might to 1250 you will automatically kill all five UBv2 and get 170 GP (10+20+30+40+50+bonus 20), so you never need to fight them manually anymore. you need lots of clones to level Physical Attack+ and Mystic Defense+ mights as much as possible (1400-1700 range). I finished that challenge with 6m-8m clones in about 30 days without completing 1kCC first. having more clones and finished 1kCC can rapidly speed things up

NDMC 1/21

this is a challenge you need to return back to every once in a while. it tasks you to have a great number of CC/CS and consumables. with your current stats you will finish 2/21 in 4h, 3/21 in 28h and the last one 21/21 will take as long as 79,000h (he-he). you must have 1000CC and 300kCS to finish it

SDC 3/20

to fully do that challenge complete UBC first (to be able to climb past Baal80 without handicapping yourself). return to SDC every time you kill each 5th Baal. with your current stats you can easily do 8/20

CPC 3/25

you may leave that challenge for now. because in order to finish it quickly you need all 6 crystal slots, a good number of finished PMC and NRC, extra Pet Stones purchases (Improved Crystal Upgrade) and Challenge Points purchases (Crystal Upgrade Boost)

GPC 10/25

another challenge that you may leave for later. I know that it is tempting to finish it faster to evolve God Power pet, but you need to have a good GP income. your main sources of GP are:
- Lucky Draws (Item Campaign, Dungeons)
- Dungeons (beefy pets, Clam, Schrödinger's cat)
- GP campaign (Nightmare, FSM, Book, upgraded God Power pet)
- God Crystal (clones, CPC, PMC, NRC)
- Black Hole and Upgrades (clones, BS, CS, 1KBHC, UBHC)
- climbing (clones, BS, 50+ planet, powersurge, might, UBC, PBC, beefy pets)
- UBv1 (clones on planet, PMC)
- UBv2 (might, auto-kill via UBV2C)
- UBv4 (might, light clones, beefy pets)
you need to be able to collect 200 GP per 6h from any of those sources to finish that challenge more or less comfortably

1KBHC 0/20

you need at least 100k BS to unlock that challenge. but to finish it comfortably you should have 300k BS at least. however it is a good idea to do that challenge once (even with 100k BS) to unlock BlackHole+ might. it will give you +50 might points every time you unlock Might which will help in future

TMC 0/25

you must finish 1kCC first and have a sizeable number of clones (at least 20m, but the more the better). no need anything else

DGC, UBv4, TLC, UfCC, USC

you can forget about those challenges for a while, because they are design for mid-games/high-game players. for example the first DGC tasks you to build Divgen of x/500/500 and each next tiers doubles that requirement

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GSC 6/26

finish that challenge as soon as possible because it boosts you Crystal Power - it will greatly help you later with most challenges that require BS/CS or god climbing. I finished the last tier with the following stats: 5m clones, 215 CC, 13k CS, 25 BS, 480k growth, completed DRC-UUC-MMC-UPC, 14AAC-14PMC-10NDMC-7CPC

MQC 0/25

that challenge is just a bit harder than DRC. its reward isn't that great but is useful in 1kCC. the main reason to do it is to get easy challenge points. for as long as they take 12-16h to complete that's fine (if there is nothing better to do)

NDC 1/25
1kCC 2/40

two challenges with two different gimmicks but both can be finished by spamming might-runs + powersurge/pets (NDC) or low-tier monuments (1kCC). for NDC you need lots of clones, for 1kCC a good amount of BS. NDC is a bit easier than 1kCC because you don't need to click "distribute" on pets for 5min every rebirth

PBC 3/25

everything that can help you to climb gods (NDC, MMC, AAC, PMC, CPC, powersurge, planet, beefy pets, might) plus a good number of clones/BS will help here. start completing them earlier and switch to something different when they become too challenging. the main reason to do that challenge is to fully finishing it for +50% to all monuments bonus

NRC 0/20

pretty much the same as PBC in terms of requirements and stats. not something you would do soon. the first few runs will take 2-3days but with better stats and more challenges they can easily be done in 24h. with 25m clones, 135k BS, 80k CS, 700 CC, 1.5m growth I finished NRC in 12-14h

LCC, OCCC

not something you can do right now

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CBC 5/25

forget about that challenge for now. don't try to do it without a huge growth (2m at least) and right pets (FSM, Nightmare, upgraded God Power, Clam, Schrödinger's Cat). the reward isn't that huge and it is more like a honeytrap rather that a good challenge to spend time

UBC 2/50

the most annoying challenge in the game. again, no point to do it until you done right challenges (AAC, CBC, NRDC, PBC, NRC, UUC, 1KC) and have the right pets (FSM, Nightmare, upgraded God Power, Clam, Schrödinger's Cat). nothing else can help you here. no reason to do it until you can do it under 48h (24h is doable)

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DBC

everything that can help to climb the gods (see PBC). if you managed to kill Baal40 during that challenge, then you can pretty much forget about it until you finish UBC because Baal40 here + UUC45 give you planet lv90 in total with more than enough for 80% of the game

DUC

you need Clones, BS, CS and CC here. build good DivGen and create as many Universes as you can. stats matter a lot:
with 5m clones, 12k CS, 18k BS, 170 CC I created 17857 universes
with 17m clones, 52k CS, 130k BS, 410 CC I created 863956 universes

DPC

only your pets' growth matters here. when you get 28-30% reward (~800m multiplier) you can pretty much forget about that challenge because getting better reward (+1%) will take disproportionately more growth (+few dozen thousands)

DMC

more clones is the only thing you need there. fully finished 1kCC will net x2.5 more points with the same number of clones. CBC is useful but not by a huge amount. with 20m clones and fully done 1kCC you can easily get at 22000+ points here. to evolve Book you must obtain ~50000 points, have 100m clones and it still will take 5-7 days

DNRC

finish that challenge once just to get easy challenge points. to actually get a good result manage to finish NRC under 24h

[Hsanrb]

Originally posted by sfnhltb:

Originally posted by bhaktivedanta:

- Build speed and clones should be in a certain balance, the relative cost effectiveness of BS vs clones is (roughly):
(clones_build + 20,000)*BS_raw / ((BS_raw + 175)*clones_build) =: x.

clones_build is the number of clones you are actually using for building, BS_raw is the raw value without CP, etc.,, this is 100% base + BP purchased via GP.

If x > 1, buying more clones is more effective in order to build faster otherwise, build speed is.

Why would your raw bs matter in the decision of whether to buy clones or BS, rather than the figure including the effect from CP?

I'll assume you don't want to factor CP into the math (just know the % gap) when factoring other decisions that are also pre CP. I even do it for my stats sheet because if I have a 10k BS improvement... I can't tell if thats Crystal Power or GP purchase. You can also reverse math the amount of GP spent on clones to build speed to figure out whether you want 350 BS% with your clones, or an extra 40k clones with your build speed, and I think 10m clones and only 15k BS is a bit imbalanced for "optimized" play. I'd definitely push towards getting 25-35k Build Speed (base value) if your not doing any multi reset challenges over the next few days.

Originally posted by rarestMeow:

DNRC

finish that challenge once just to get easy challenge points. to actually get a good result finish manage to finish NRC under 24h

Need to have finished an NRC in 24 hours, which MIGHT not be doable with the stats, or at least without churning a ton of pet stat and chakras.

[muljostpho]

For a while I had come up with my own arbitrary pattern for how much I would save up to spend all at once on a batch of upgrades. (By no means was it "efficient" by any measure or ideal for any specific task. It was just how I felt like handling it.)

When I was at 10M clones I was at 500 CC, 10k CS, 100k BS, and I was trying to keep at least 10k GP banked. (Extra CS and BS from CP and whatever bonuses is ignored when working with ratios because they would make it more complicated to keep track of where you're at. But for the record I was at somewhere around 45k CP. That would have been something like 23k extra CS and BS?) My strongest god defeated had been P.Baal 50 and I'd done somewhere between 2500-2800 ChP worth of challenges and the total of all GP spent at the time was somewhere between 69k-77k. The ongoing plan for a while after that had been that in each cycle I would purchase 1M clones, 50 CC, 1k CS, and 10k BS as well as aiming to keep an extra 1k GP banked. So I'd save up an extra 9k or so GP beyond the intended bank amount and that'd pay for that cycle of upgrades.

But eventually I just sort of reached some points where I decided to freeze certain things where they were. I drew the line at 25k on the extra GP to keep banked. I think I stopped CS and BS at something like 25k and 250k for a while, then later came back to them again and stopped them where they currently are at 50k and 500k. I forget if I stopped it somewhere else for a while first (1000 maybe?) but I've currently got CC frozen at 2500. And I'm just sorta sticking with only clone purchases currently. (You can always find places to put more clones to work.) They're at 135M right now. And who knows, maybe I'll go to 250M and then turn my attention back to something else for a bit. My strongest god defeated is P.Baal 80 and I've done about 13k ChP worth of challenges and the total of all GP spent up until now is about 623k. (Side note: My CP right now is at about 176k, or effectively about 497k after accounting for bonuses. That's worth about 248k extra CS and BS. Overall after all other bonuses at the moment I currently have an effective total of about 529k CS and about 2.6M BS.)

[grommile]

Originally posted by rarestMeow:

UPC 5/20

finish that challenge as soon as possible too.

Of the challenges I've completed at least one of, UPC is by far the one I most dislike.

[muljostpho]

I enjoyed that one and wanted to see more ideas like that after I was done with it, and I completed it before Ryu made the change that scaled up the pet pills received if you did item camp runs longer than 1 hour so it wouldn't be quite as necessary to micromanage it. (I was probably pretty laidback and did it inefficiently anyway though.)

Hmmm... I wonder what kind of time I could complete a UPC in now... My best time on record is 1d1h35m but it's been over 4 years since I set that record and I haven't touched the challenge again since then. Over the period of time from my first to last UPC (looks like I spaced them out over about half a year) I had between 1M-3.7M clones, 665-3000 CS, 6650-12000 BS, 3.4k-13k CP, 45-125 CC, and for the more relevant (or intended to be more relevant) numbers to the challenge itself I had between 11-18 pets unlocked and 40k-143k total growth between them all. I think at some point I saw someone mentioning trying a UPC later in the game with much stronger stats than when they originally completed it and finishing the run in like 30 minutes or something crazy like that just because they were able to get so much multiplier from building monuments. The whole "pet pills" part of it had been rendered irrelevant.

[muljostpho]

Originally posted by bhaktivedanta:

- Build speed and clones should be in a certain balance, the relative cost effectiveness of BS vs clones is (roughly):
(clones_build + 20,000)*BS_raw / ((BS_raw + 175)*clones_build) =: x.

clones_build is the number of clones you are actually using for building, BS_raw is the raw value without CP, etc.,, this is 100% base + BP purchased via GP.

If x > 1, buying more clones is more effective in order to build faster otherwise, build speed is.

Wait... I wanted to take a look at this myself with my own numbers and I just threw some numbers around in a spreadsheet and this formula always returns 1.00 with my 500k BS regardless of whether it uses 10M or 20M or etc. etc. etc. or 120M or 130M of my 135M clones on building.

I'm probably just way way way beyond the range of stats where this formula is relevant though. (Ignoring the little offsets getting added in it's just (clones x BS) / (BS x clones) so of course it's 1 when the numbers being punched in are in a much larger scale than the offsets.)

I could change the formatting to show a couple extra digits though. See how it looks with different precision... Okay, at somewhere between 60M-70M clones that formula's result drops to 0.9999 for me. Interesting... I guess? (Although I usually don't really go that hard on the monuments + divgen anyway. (More like somewhere between 15M-30M maybe?) Most of my clones are usually going to Might and/or RTI. But I guess whenever I have enough clones to throw around that it starts to become normal to have something like 65M or more of them building that'll be the "ideal" time for me to start buying BS again. According to this.)

[sfnhltb]

The way I have traditionally calculated if I need more clones for building vs build speed is just to replicate the formula (base build speed + CP build speed at rebirth) * average amount of clones on building with either 100k extra build speed (i.e. 28.5k) or 11.5m more clones (approximately the same price) and see which version gives the higher value (there are a number of other effects other than that, but as they are all multipliers they won't affect the result).

Of course for some things (GP reset challenges, 1kCC, 1kBHC) base build speed is more important, but there are also plenty of other challenges where stripping building clones to send them to other tabs is more critical (TLC, MMC, UBV*C, etc.)

[grommile]

So after looking at the confusion above, I sat down and worked the numbers. I've built a google sheet that assesses the efficiency of build speed vs. clones-on-building, accounting for the clone count needed to keep your minutes-to-full-clones stable, but steam doesn't like google sheets links, so...

[sfnhltb]

Originally posted by grommile:

accounting for the clone count needed to keep your minutes-to-full-clones stable

Ah, that is probably why the original version of my calculation used 11m clones vs 100k BS, as if you add 20 CC the total cost of both is 28.5k (ok, technically it should be 22 CC but the clones on buildings figure is already a vague approximation).

[rarestMeow]

Originally posted by grommile:

Of the challenges I've completed at least one of, UPC is by far the one I most dislike.

why exactly? because you need to check on pets each hour?

I would say that I hate 1kCC very much for the sole reason that player need mindlessly click "distribute" button on clones for pets for 5-10min each rebirth. that is just annoying. and the more pets you have the worse it gets. it is kinda paradoxically challenge which is more annoying in mid-game rather than in early-game

[grommile]

Originally posted by rarestMeow:

Originally posted by grommile:

Of the challenges I've completed at least one of, UPC is by far the one I most dislike.

why exactly? because you need to check on pets each hour?

Basically that, yeah.

I would say that I hate 1kCC very much

I'm not a huge fan of 1kCC either, to be fair :)