Idling to Rule the Gods

Idling to Rule the Gods

grommile Aug 7, 2021 @ 10:40am
Aether ring?
I just found an aether ring in the Newbie Ground.

What does it do?
Last edited by grommile; Aug 7, 2021 @ 10:41am
Originally posted by luizpedronovak:
Well, it unlocks the new Pet, Aether.

Just keep in mind that this et has -279510 growth. Unless you have good growth campaign pets, unlocking it will hurt more then help, at first.
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luizpedronovak Aug 7, 2021 @ 11:56am 
Well, it unlocks the new Pet, Aether.

Just keep in mind that this et has -279510 growth. Unless you have good growth campaign pets, unlocking it will hurt more then help, at first.
Last edited by luizpedronovak; Aug 7, 2021 @ 11:58am
Fel Aug 7, 2021 @ 12:13pm 
The amount of negative growth depends on the multiplier but yeah, it's pretty heavy in negative (mine shows -57,095 growth per stat for example)
grommile Aug 7, 2021 @ 12:19pm 
Welp. That pet's a fascinatingly evil piece of design, given the existence of evo conditions like Shark's "Have all your pets at a growth over 5000".
muljostpho Aug 7, 2021 @ 12:19pm 
Originally posted by luizpedronovak:
Well, it unlocks the new Pet, Aether.

Just keep in mind that this et has -279510 growth. Unless you have good growth campaign pets, unlocking it will hurt more then help, at first.

Aether's starting total growth = -10 x your total earned ChP at the time when you unlock Aether. Newer players who haven't done any challenges yet get to start at zero. Long-time players who've completed almost everything get to SUFFER. If you have the option to unlock it and procrastinate about actually doing it, the starting growth is only going to get worse and worse over time. But once you unlock it, it has what it has and you can start feeding it to cancel out the negative growth.

Of course, Aether is pretty much only good as a display stand for a set of pet gear and the bit of bonus that that can mean for god stats. Since it has -99 in campaigns (I guess with the best possible stick that could be -49?) and can't evolve. (It's possible that a later update could add a questline to upgrade / evolve it similar to Undine, Gnome, and whatever the other two planned elementals are going to be. (EDIT: Salamander and Sylph.) But as things stand right now it's intentionally set up to not be able to do too much.)
Last edited by muljostpho; Aug 7, 2021 @ 12:21pm
Fel Aug 7, 2021 @ 12:21pm 
Undine also starts with a negative growth but you can get it to positive after several steps, it is likely that this pet also has something similar going for it (hopefully at least because it would take a while to make it grow even with a good growth team).
Jeanie Aug 7, 2021 @ 9:34pm 
Are there any steps known to make Aether better or even if such steps exist?

Few days ago i stepped into this trap when i went into newbie dungeon for my fresh undine. Got that aether ring there too and well, i clicked on unlock. Now i have a Aether with -25k growth that locks pets like shark and robot from evolving. I dont have a growth team nor good sticks so far. And from ingame infos you have no idea that this could be such a trap.

I dont want to believe that this pet is designed as a trap for midgame and later players...
Last edited by Jeanie; Aug 7, 2021 @ 9:39pm
grommile Aug 8, 2021 @ 1:45am 
Originally posted by Jeanie:
Are there any steps known to make Aether better or even if such steps exist?
Given that Aether can't be evolved (yet), I'm assuming the improvement steps haven't been implemented yet.
TanisX Aug 8, 2021 @ 5:54am 
There has been talk about something to do for Aether in the next update. What that is and its effect is still secret though.
luizpedronovak Aug 8, 2021 @ 8:00am 
Originally posted by grommile:
Given that Aether can't be evolved (yet), I'm assuming the improvement steps haven't been implemented yet.

This spreadsheet ITRTG Pet Evolutions - Google Docs [docs.google.com] has a spoiler for how Aether will evolve. This is constantly updated, and a week ago the text was "This pet is not evolvable".

Originally posted by Jeanie:
I dont want to believe that this pet is designed as a trap for midgame and later players...
Well, I believe this is a sort of a trap, yes. "Sort of" because the tooltips warn about the negative growth before unlocking, so you should click only if you can take the toll for the task, but I understand that one may underestimate how bad it is.

As I see it, this is an user designed pet, and as a lot of user made content, other players may hard disagree on what another consider cool or fun. A few PGCs are the same: some are slow, but very fun, others are infuriating even if fast (and then there is the last one, slow and infuriating). But other players will disagree with those opinions, and surely the player who designed each challenge find it very fun (even if the fun is only on making others suffer a little, probably). Anyway, this pet seems to be designed as something that becomes harder to grow the more advanced you are in the game, and warning the player by showing the negative growth on the tooltip before unlocking seems to be the compromise to make it fair.

Maybe the Robot and Shark evolution condition should ignore pets on negative, so those super pets will not affect the midgame players too much? Seems fair to me, maybe you should suggest this to Ryu? (Mine are both evolved already, so I'm not in position to ask something like that)
Hsanrb Aug 8, 2021 @ 10:32am 
Best advice is similar to Undine and give it ego sword because it will probably be dungeon related,
talt Aug 9, 2021 @ 12:46am 
in beta of next update (v3.62) you can wear the ring to newbie dungeon to fight a scaling special boss.
It becomes stronger each time it is defeated. Each time it is defeated it will improve the pet Aether, raising its campaign gains and also giving it 0.2*total chp in growth. You will need to defeat it 25 times to evolve Aether.
Jeanie Aug 9, 2021 @ 8:19am 
Originally posted by talt:
in beta of next update (v3.62) you can wear the ring to newbie dungeon to fight a scaling special boss.
It becomes stronger each time it is defeated. Each time it is defeated it will improve the pet Aether, raising its campaign gains and also giving it 0.2*total chp in growth. You will need to defeat it 25 times to evolve Aether.

That sounds great, thanks for that info.
I am looking forward to the next update :)
sfnhltb Aug 18, 2021 @ 12:58pm 
Originally posted by luizpedronovak:
Well, it unlocks the new Pet, Aether.

Just keep in mind that this et has -279510 growth. Unless you have good growth campaign pets, unlocking it will hurt more then help, at first.

Actually you can't really just put it in the growth campaign directly, it reduces the results by 99% in it's base form, Bag will send growth to it successfully though.

Originally posted by Hsanrb:
Best advice is similar to Undine and give it ego sword because it will probably be dungeon related,

Turns out not this time - evolution bonus is Adventurer and you don't need it to be in the team to fight the Delirious Essence of Whatever to upgrade the Ring, so shouldn't need any adventurer levels on it at all (until some pets evo requirement is every pet has to have some minimum adventure level anyway)
muljostpho Aug 18, 2021 @ 4:04pm 
Originally posted by sfnhltb:
Actually you can't really just put it in the growth campaign directly, it reduces the results by 99% in it's base form, Bag will send growth to it successfully though.

Campaign bonus only matters on the 9 bigger pets that are sent into the growth campaign. The weak 10th pet does not contribute anything to the results no matter which pet it is, so its campaign bonus gets ignored. (Pandora's Box kinda makes an exception to this rule but not really. If Pandora is the weakest in the campaign and has some bonus from adventurer class levels or from equipping a stick, that bonus will be ignored just the same as any other pet in that position. But Pandora's main bonus is not the same as that standard bonus which is used for the calculation of a pet's own results in a campaign. Pandora's main bonus is a universal bonus that multiplies all results of the campaign after they've already been calculated.)

Aether's -99 in campaigns would only come into play in the growth campaign if it's being sent in as one of the 9 stronger pets with a weaker pet getting targeted, and then the penalty would only be to Aether's own contribution to the total, not to what any of the other pets are putting in. Aether does not function like Pandora.

I've been getting something like +1500 total growth (give or take a bit depending on Pandora and how long a rebirth has been going (the bonus from Pandora's ability accounts for something like 1/3 of that total), and this displays in the campaign results as about 500 since it displays what each stat gains instead of displaying the overall total gain) added to Aether from each 12 hour campaign run and it would be the same gains for ANY pet I send into it as the campaign's weak pet. I'm definitely NOT capable of getting +150000 (150 thousand!) total growth per 12 hours from it when Aether isn't in that campaign (which is what your claim would imply should happen). If I could do that, I would not have Gold Dragon and about a dozen dungeon pets all stronger than my "growth chamber". And pets in my "chamber" would all have a lot more than my strongest dungeon pet's 92k total growth or my actual chamber pets' range of 64k to 82k total growth. And the ability to gain 150k total growth all at once like that would also trivialize the -94k total growth that my Aether started with.

(My chamber, for context: Ape (adv 21), Chocobear (adv 32), Cupid (adv 34), Clone (adv 34), Otter (unevolved), Pandora (unevolved), Hedgehog (adv 28), Robot (adv 20), and Shark (adv 25))
Fel Aug 18, 2021 @ 4:27pm 
The description specifically states -99% growth gains, not growth campaign so unless it's a typo it would mean the received growth.
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