Is creating a black hole the fastest way to make GP without quickly rebirthing and farming gods?

[★ PENTA Vivian ★]

I am nearing Coatlicue and Chronos and want to get some more gp, now I get ~20gp per rebirth and it goes towards building speed which is 270% now. How much divinity would 1 black hole take and how much it takes to make 4 for that 1/hour GP? Is there better way? I only heard of quick rebirth but I lose on stats if I do that.

[Fel]

Black holes, UBs, god crystals, god power campaign and some dungeon events are all ways to earn GP without having to defeat gods but they are far from great in early stages of the game.

1 black hole takes 25 galaxies (which is about 25 E+18 divinity, way out of reach initially) and the base buid time is 399,000,000.
And 4 black holes cost a total of 775 galaxies.

Those costs can be lowered quite a bit with the black hole challenge (the firstblack hole goes down to 5 galaxies) but that challenge is not exactly one that can be done very early (it can be done but with a very high time per clear).
As you get build speed, clones and creation count the black holes and all other monuments and upgrades becomes easier to get and your divinity generator's base depends on the highest god ever defeated so that goes up as you continue to play as well, making it possible to reach balck holes in a few hours in later parts of the game.
Basically it would take you days to get to black holes in early parts of the game and the GP given by the black holes would not come even remotely close to the GP you would have earned if you continued to play normally with a rebirth every now and then (I'm not talking about speed rebirths, just playing normally, trying to get one more god per rebirth until baal is defeated).

But rather than worry about GP earnings, just focus on trying to get to baal, go for a single day pet challenge, an single ultimate baal challenge and then a head into double rebirth challenges (all 50 of it).
Once you are done with that you will have earned a decent chunk of GP but more importantly you will have acquired some pretty decent rewards from the challenges that will help you progress much faster as well (especially DRC, the 50 free levels in each of the might each time might unlocks is massive early on).

The game can be a bit deceptive at first, making you think that GP is everything but challenges are where a massive amount of bonuses are hidden.
Idle GP generation is good when used on top of everything else but it can't replace the GP you would earn normally, and speed rebirth focuses exclusively on GP from gods, eventually earning massive amounts but requiring a lot of attention and a sacrifice of pretty much everything else in the game.

[★ PENTA Vivian ★]

So I should focus on defeating Baal and then try challenges?

[Fel]

Pretty much, as you clear challenges you get bonuses and sometimes extra GP as well on top of what you earned normally, those help you get strong enough to go to the next challenge and so on.

Once in a while you might want to do what we call a "p baal climb" which is basically either using long challenges that don't reset your multipliers or no challenge at all and fous exclusively on getting higher and higher gods defeated (after baal there is a long series of "p baal" that go up in stats by a factor of 100 each time).
This unlocks new pets and increases the base for your divinity generator but you tend to quickly reach a point where you can't feasibly progress without either much higher stats and bonuses or insane rebirth times (when you are at that point you can technically stop rebirthing and defeat an extra god roughly every 4 days with UBs but it isn't usually worth the time unless you have a specific goal in mind).

But ultimately most of your time will be spent doing challenges, steadily growing stronger even if you don't necessarily notice it right away.
(also, don't forget your pets, they are a very important factor in this game so at the very least feed them and send them on growth campaign and dungeons)

[★ PENTA Vivian ★]

I have 5 pets and send them on growth compaigns, currently they have ~60 pet growth.

[masterjunko]

GP is cheap late game. When black holes become very easy to make. You can only get 50 GP max per rebirth from blackholes, which is not much.

Like Fel said, at your stage, just focus on getting to baal.

Get lots of clones and CC. Pump up creation speed a little and build speed a lot. Do the challenges and the rest is just time.

[Ryu82]

In general the further you are in the game, the easier it is to earn gp. Lategame, the Ultimate Beings V2 are usually the best gp income.

Here some overview of late game gp income:
UBV2s: 150-170 per rebirth
Gods above Izanagi: 0-330 per rebirth
Black Hole Upgrades: 0-50 per rebirth

UBs: 1-5 gp/h
GP Campaign with nightmare + fsm and some other pets: 3-15 gp/h
God Crystal: 1-2 gp/h
Black Holes: 1-12 gp/h
Pet Dungeons: 1-2 gp/h

Best Challenges for gp:
No Rebirth Challenge (when you can do them within a day): 250 gp
UBV2C: 5-200 gp
Day Pet Challenge (early on): 20-50 gp

So current endgame players can get up tp 30 gp/h without rebirthing and receive an extra 400 or more gp per rebirth.

To reach that far, you need to do lots of challenges, though.

[★ PENTA Vivian ★]

I can't do that day pet challenge you mentioned, the tab seems to only unlock after Baal.

[starwol]

Originally posted by masterjunko:

You can only get 50 GP max per rebirth from blackholes, which is not much.

It's only the Black Hole upgrades that are capped at 50GP per rebirth (earned after hitting the rebirth button).

The Black Hole monuments have an offline GP cap (25-100 depending on challenges and Spacedim) but that cap will reset whenever you are online.

[sfnhltb]

Originally posted by Ryu82:

Gods above Izanagi: 20-100 per rebirth

Up to more like 300 or so per rebirth having all the PBCs done, mine are more like 500/rebirth almost all from either gods or UBv2s.

[Ryu82]

Originally posted by Sordahon:

I can't do that day pet challenge you mentioned, the tab seems to only unlock after Baal.

Yes beating baal is the first thing you should do. After beating Baal, this challenge might be the first challenge you want to do, then an Ultimate Baal Challenge to unlock the crystal factory, or do speedruns for a while to make challenges later on faster.

Originally posted by sfnhltb:

Originally posted by Ryu82:

Gods above Izanagi: 20-100 per rebirth

Up to more like 300 or so per rebirth having all the PBCs done, mine are more like 500/rebirth almost all from either gods or UBv2s.

True I forgot about that, that doubles the gp from gods and I guess if you go for the last P.Baal (V147), up to 330 gp is possible. There is nobody who does regular rebirths to V147 yet, though. But possible so I updated the numbers here.

[Fel]

Well, the double GP is currently giving me 45-47 extra GP per rebirth so it is far from negligible, a bonus well worth grabbing when you are going to do non-reset challenges.

[masterjunko]

Originally posted by starwol:

Originally posted by masterjunko:

You can only get 50 GP max per rebirth from blackholes, which is not much.

It's only the Black Hole upgrades that are capped at 50GP per rebirth (earned after hitting the rebirth button).

The Black Hole monuments have an offline GP cap (25-100 depending on challenges and Spacedim) but that cap will reset whenever you are online.

You are correct. I mixed it up with the upgrade.The 3GP/h income is nice to have with 40 blackholes and all the related challenges done.

Although at the OP's level he probably won't be able to do that unless he finish all the other challenges first.

[Ryu82]

1KBHCs can double that for 6 GP/h and spacedim can also double that for up to 12 GP/h from black holes.

[masterjunko]

Just finished ubv2 and planning on doing a few spacedim challenges first because it looks easy. I can probably do 2-4 spacedim challenges a day, depending on activity level.
1KBHC is the next challenge on my list. I can see that this one will take a long time... To me IKBHC is in the same bucket as CBC and UAC.

And for spacedim to double blackhole GP, it's going to be at least a year away.

[Fel]

Well, at least that spacedim is "only" locked behind p baal 45 so it is among the ones that can at least be reached with relative ease when nearing the late/end game.
The full 2000 levels are definitely not going to be easy to grab in short or medium length rebirths until a year or two but getting at least 5% to 10% seems like something that can be achieved by people that would be going for super long rebirths to reach p baal 66 or 77, making those unending runs a bit less unprofitable GP-wise.