UBV2

[Lao Dan]

I'm really struggling with UBV2. I read up on the Fluffychair guide online, but I still seem to not be beating them. Do I still need to use Ionioi summon against the latter beings? I tried some of the recommended loops and never did any damaged. Have some of the actions been changed?

[Stuhl-o-mator]

Could you post your stats here?

[sfnhltb]

Ionioi summon is more useful as you have killed more P Baals (highest ever), and does more damage than a counterattack (or anything else), so is useful to kill off V2s fast when they are around the healing zone. The problem is if the V2s are hitting you hard then it leaves you more open than trying to take them down using EM boosted clairvoyance to do the damage, where you tend to block a good proportion of their damage while still taking them down fast. It can have issues where the V2 isn't triggering the clairvoyance, in which case you might substitute IHS as an attack if EM and Clairvoyance are both up.

This is why the suggested loops tend to vary between PEv2, who normally does low enough damage even if you don't have many might levels to use IHS as a finishing move without being in danger, and the harder ones that do too much damage to not have clairvoyance up even for a couple of turns, although this can be mitigated if you have sufficiently high might - if going all the way to ItRtGv2 I often find I have enough time to cap out the defense might at 750 (and thus 75% damage reduction even with no skills running), and that is enough to maintain high health easily while whittling it down so I can then finish it off using IHS and get the fight over faster.

Generally how much damage you do to a V2 is a combination of how much you have levelled up Physical Attack + on the might tab (100 = double damage, 200= triple damage, etc.) and how much damage reduction you have engineered by your feed loop at the start (normally either 22 or 24% based on whether your feed loop uses 5 or 6 evil creations, effectively increasing your damage by 9% if you do the 6 evil loop compared to the 5 evil feed loop).

After that it is just a case of stacking the various attack/defense buffs to boost your attacks, which is all those various standard attack loops are doing (personally I just use TA followed by 4* clairvoyance/FB and repeat until in range to finish with MM/RA/EM/IHS/EM/IHS, but I think I get away with it due to much higher clones compared to the minimum requirements, where you tend to need to have a bit more finesse and adjust to the situation more)

The only action changed since that guide was created (and I think it has been updated to include the changes) is God Speed, which typically is only used in the newer (better, although I don't use it because I always mess up the order) feed loop, although I have used GS before to finish of some V2s where I have messed up the feed loop and they still have very high damage reduction (i.e. 95% because of lack of non-evil creations to feed), as it effectively can speed up the rate of your attacks vs the V2s healing when finishing them off (at the cost of lots of energy)

[turian1620]

Greetings,

I do not have proof of any recent changes but it DOES seem that LSv2 and higher heal more
(frequency and amount). This is only relevant to me when trying to squeeze out that extra gp as fast as possible so I haven't paid much attention to it. With that said, I'll post my methods and information in the hopes that someone will read this and benefit from killing UBv2s much
more efficiently and earlier than I did.


Preface - The below information is to guarantee ITRTGv2 kills with specific stats I had when I started keeping track. It it quite possible to kill V2s with ridiculously lower numbers. In fact, I would recommend experimenting with PEv2 (and then higher) for anyone with 4-600k+ clones and 25+ CC in any run that you make enough creations. 18, 27, or even 45 planets (to do 2, 3, 5 sets respectively) is extremely cheap for the return of 10 gp. This becomes even cheaper as your stats improve and is a huge boost to GP gains in most runs.


The SETUP -

1. Give Planet
2. God Speed
3. Clairvoyance
4. Evil Creation
5. Elemental Manipulation
6. Evil Creation
7. Focused Breathing
8. Give Planet
9. God Speed
10. Evil Creation
11. Focused Breathing
12. Evil Creation
13. Focused Breathing
14. Evil Creation
15. Focused Breathing
16. Give Planet
17. Mystic Mode
18. Evil Creation

Note that the above loop knocks UBV2 damage reduction to 76% while only taking one hit to
your clones (your hp is restored with the focused breathing). This is very useful when pushing UBv2 kills without over-investing in stats.


Damage Loop -

Transformation Aura
Mystic Mode (skip this the first time since it's still up from 17)
Elemental manipulation
Ionioi Summon
Focused Breathing

Repeat the above five steps until you are about to lose. When low on health skip some steps
to maximize your damage. IE - if you are going to lose in 2 hits, do an elemental manipulation into ionioi instead of transformation/mystic or whatever. With some practice you will learn when (and how) to break from the pattern. Usually this is only useful maximizing shorter runs or when cutting corners on the below stats but it is worth mentioning.


Now the stats! - I have successfully defeated ITRTGv2 with as low as 1.67mil clones (at 423/416 attack/defense+) and 2m clones at 280 attack/defense+ in 2-3 sets. Due to a close
call (at 350 attack/defense+ with 2m clones) I had in one rebirth I would recommend the
minimum stats of 2m clones and 370 attack/defense+ to kill all of the UBv2s (in 2 sets for
GAA/ITRTG) with 100% success rate. The above numbers started with highest god of PBaal 25 or 30 so your mileage may vary if you haven't gone for a few extra pets yet.

For GAAv2 and ITRTGv2 you also want to have as much creation count as possible. I started
with 80+ total (including crystals) but you can probably get away with less. Further, you
want enough regen via mystic crystal, mystic regen+, mystic gardens/upgrades, and possibly
removing physical crystal to have full health when your clones are done. Finally, earlier
UBv2's can be defeated with MUCH lower stats so it is worth it to experiment to see what is
worth going for depending on your progress and run length.

Full creations needed to kill all UBv2 with these stats is 9 planets (6 evil, 3 normal), 9
Earthlike (6 evil, 3 normal), 9 suns (6 evil, 3 normal), 18 solar systems (12 evil, 6 normal), 18 universes (12 evil, 6 normal). Your main bottleneck will be creating stat for the evil universes so it's worth making some black holes and upgrades. I would also recommend using a creation spreadsheet to save divinity while increasing the creating stat. Godly liquids are extremely useful when making the later evil creations if you want to speed it up.

To close, there are most likely better loops out there (and lower stat recommendations) but
the above is guaranteed so I figured it was worth posting. I hope it helps!

PS - I have heard mention of some "technique" that allows you to save/load or such to get
kills with much lower stats and/or more aggressive loops. Since I have not used it, I cannot provide anything more useful than "I've heard it exists." I figured I'd mention it in case it is something people want to look into.

[Lao Dan]

Here are my stats:

Idling to Rule the Gods - statistics export for Lao Dan, Steam version.

Available GP: 40
Max Shadow Clones: 1.97000 E+6
Creating Speed: 785 %
Building Speed: 5,075 %
Crystal Power: 1,006
Creation Count: 20

Time online: 183 days, 17:03:41 hours
Time offline: 301 days, 21:06:09 hours
GP / hour since beginning: 0.77
GP/ hour since 1 days, 14:24:36 hours: 29.89

Rebirths: 153
Strongest God defeated: 65 (P. Baal v 37)

AFK Clones killed: 2.79377 E+12
Highest Afky God Power: 3.54076 E+10
Afky exp multi: 6,994

Unlocked Pets: 19
Total Pet growth: 116,152

Challenge Points: 257

Ultimate Pet Challenges: 4
Double Rebirth Challenges: 5
Clone Buildup Challenges: 5
Ultimate Arty Challenges: 2

I can beat the first three UBV2s using the PE2 loops, I just can't beat anything using the higher level attack loops on the guide.

[turian1620]

Hello,

Your stats are simply not high enough for the last two. I do not think there is any loop or strategy that will allow you beat GAAv2 and ITRTGv2 with your current stats. This is because you do not have the raw power to do them in one set and your low creation count lets them heal 50% of their health between sets.

One option is shooting for 100 base creation count after you round your clones off to two million. This will cost 4k gp but with creation and ultimate crystals you can start 2-setting GAAv2 and then ITRTGv2 much earlier. Knocking the time to create all clones from 50 minutes to 10 minutes is also a huge boost in nearly every rebirth (especially in multi reset challenges).

Alternatively, you can spend 5k-10k+ gp (depending on how high you train your attack/defense+) and hope to power through them in one shot. This gives the benefit of more clones to spread around between monuments, training, crystal factory, etc.

Overall, I would recommend the CC route since it is cheaper and is assisted by creation and ultimate crystals. The downside is needing to make twice as many evil solar systems and evil universes to kill the UBv2s. 90gp at the cost of 9 solar systems (6 evil) and 9 universes (6 evil) per rebirth once you have enough CC seems well worth it to me though!

Regards,

[Lao Dan]

Thanks. I have been on a long run with a level 10 god crystal and a level 4 black hole building up my max clones until I get the octopus. At 2.5M clones I'll switch to CC.

Since I plan on doing a lot of UPCs in the next few weeks I still have time to build my CC while doing them. I'm not that concerned with beating the last two right now, just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing something obvious.