Optimal Way To Build CP

[DoctorNovakaine]

I want to get the Pet Exp Overflow and Stone Pet as soon as I can, but I currently only have around 200 CP. What are the best challenges to do to quickly raise CP? i.e. Which can I complete quickly with the proper optimization and provide the best CP rewards for the amount of time?

[calcnerdm]

You mean challenge points (CHP) right? The fastest way will depend strongly on your stats and the way you like to play the game.

[Fel]

Most of the high rewards when it comes to challenge points are either because they need high GP stats or because they "reset" a lot of things.

That said, the "day" challenges can reward you quite a lot if you can get a decently high score on them, and because only the highest counts you could in theory get quite a lot in a single run.

The easiest among those is obviously DPC, it got me 75 challenge points for only reaching 404k (along with a 19% boost on pet food), and that's with pets not that great and far from optimal training on them during those 24 hours.

If you have the stats to clear all 3 of those challenges with high enough scores, you could probably already get over 200 challenge points (and obviously even more if your stats allow you to perform better).


Other than that, PMC and BHC sound like good picks if you have the stats for them, with NRC and 1KC as potentially good candidates.
If your total might and pets are relly good, NDC might also be feasible with active play.

That said though, if you have the stats for all of those, you could probably also max DRC really fast if it's not already done. With 5 points per challenge, if you are able to clear them at a rate of 3-5 per day it's not a bad start either.



Just as a foot note, CP usualy means Crystal Power, so we might need to find an other way to call challenge points, not that it's your fault.

[DoctorNovakaine]

Ah, sorry, I meant Challenge Points, didn't remember that CP meant something already. CHP, yes.

I've already done the Day Pet Challenge, which netted me 92 points (I have total pet growth over 100k). I know I could get more from this if I had Pet EXP overflow, and that's the first thing I'm targeting because it's helpful in a lot of ways (I want to get this before finishing off the UPCs because I think I could do those a lot faster with it).

My stats are decent, though probably far from optimal. 7.5k% to both CS and BS, 2.5m clone max, all trainings 1-cloned, 21 pets with over 5k total growth each, all GP TBS upgrades. I spent a lot of time not doing challenges because I was grinding for pet stones for more crystal slots (this was before CHP was a thing so I wasn't that concerned about them at the time).

The thing about many of the challenges is the time investment. For example, I'm at a point where an AAC is a piece of cake, I can easily get three universes in two days with a decent divgen, but it takes four days to get trainings and monsters to full achievements. PMC is similar, it's easy but takes time and can't really be sped up without completing other challenges. DRC, I have just completed one, it was far from optimized but I got it done in 2 rebirths under 48 hours. Before that I did my second UBC which took almost eight days. I know I could optimize better for both of these but I don't know all the strategies for that.

[MrNobody]

If you want to optimize DRC, UBC and most challenges as DRC type the key is: doing might rebirth - kill the last god you after you unlock might and rebirth.

The thing is doing challenge will take months. My fastest DRC is 5h28 - 4 rebirths. GSC are like DRC - the last one can take more time. 1KC - my best was 9h28. NDC are a little bit easier than 1KC - best time 8h38. UUC are easy too my best was 6h16. UPC take sometime with 5k pet growth you can do it in 2 days. CBC are under 24h if you are very active and you can't improve it much otherwise you will take 30~48h to finish it.

All the times of challenge above are using 1h35 might rebirths, except for the one you don't need to rebirth.

[DoctorNovakaine]

I'll try to implement that on some of these challenges. It probably will be faster, but I'm not monitoring the game constantly so I'll only be able to use it here and there. Think I might do some AACs during the week when I'm busier and try to grind out 1KCs and NDCs and GSCs on weekends.

[MrNobody]

It's good to have a bunch of DRC done first if you are grinding challenges, the 50 extra might will help you a lot by just unlocking it and overtime your total might gained will help too.

But if you don't have a lot of time to rebirth: AAC are the best. NRC too as long you can have your game running and killing UB - but probably will take a long time without boost from other challenges. And PMC as you said.

Most challenge require you to rebirth as soon as you can to optimize it.

[Darth Faber]

If you're planning on doing AAC's during the week, I'd suggest doing to UPCs during the weekend. I know you want to get the pet overflow upgrade first, but the main thing that takes time in UPC's is the 1h pet pills campaigns, not the grinding pet levels before hand.

During the weekend you can send your pets on the campaign every hour, which is massively more effiencient that sending them on a 10h campaign during the day (two 1h campaigns are roughly as good as one 10h, depending on stats). UPC's also only take a single rebirth, while if your doing GSC's or 1KCs you're doing to lose all your multipliers, meaning you're going to need to rebuild them enough to be able to BB monster queens.

I think in most of my UPC runs I spend something like 1h-3h leveliing pets then the rest of the run doing 1h pet runs while awake

[Darth Faber]

Also DoctorNovakaine, judging by your comment I think you misunderstood DRC. DRC isn't "Defeat Baal within 2 rebirths" it's "Starting the challenge makes you automatially do 2 rebiths, resetting all your multipliers to 0. Defeat Ball as fast as possible".

Having a look at the "Show me your Stats" thread might give you some ideas how fast the challenges can get done. See the run times for people similar to your stats and see how your build compares to theirs. Generally Build speed is much more useful than creation speed, so people have BS as 4-5 times higher than CS.

[DoctorNovakaine]

I'm not misunderstanding the DRC. I know you can rebirth as much as you want, I just happened to finish the first one rebirthing twice. Again, I wasn't able to constantly monitor, so it was more exploratory, a "how well will this go" kind of thing. I'm actually in my second one where I was able to rebirth twice after might unlock, and I'm on the verge of completing it, I'm pretty well able to do a full one a day if I can monitor it - maybe even within the day if I start early enough. (Which would bode well for the DBC, which in itself will be a huge chunk of CHP.)

I am planning on putting a lot of future GP towards BS at this point so that I can ramp that up further.

I'll take the UPC suggestion under advisement - I've never been able to consistently mark the end of the 1-hour campaigns and frequently end up missing a lot of time on them, if I can figure out how to do that it'll improve things.

[Darth Faber]

Good to hear. I've seen a few people make the mistake for DRC so I jumped to conclusions.

If you're going to be at the computer anyway there's lots of online timers you can set for an hour, Windows 10 has one built in. You could even just set one on a microwave if there's one within earshot

[DoctorNovakaine]

I see the definite advantage to doing the UPCs - they're probably the fastest thing you can complete without losing multipliers, and I'm going to want to not lose too much progress between AACs. What should I do once I max them out? Just keep doing AACs straight after each other, or mix between other normal rebirth style challenges?

[Fel]

It's up to you, but if you want to optimize things, having to grind p baals again doesn't seem like a good idea.
DBC could work, but it only takes the highest score so it's not like you would be able to grind it between each AAC.

[sfnhltb]

If you are aiming for CHP then completing challenge series for their 50% bonus points probably makes sense, or maybe two series at once if you have very different activity patterns during the week and weekend that suit different types of challenge, and move on once you complete them all.

As a guide my rough estimates of the time it took me to do various challenges, and how long I estimate it would take me now. My order has roughly been (covering a bit over a year I guess) :

1xUBC -> DRC -> UUC -> BHC -> 1KC pt1 -> AAC pt1 -> UPC -> GSC -> NDC -> 1KC pt2 -> AAC pt2 -> DPC -> DUC -> PMC

UUC 1 x 45 = 45, less than 1 hour now, about 12 hours when I did them - low activity
BHC 2 x 40 = 80, less than 1 hour now, about 10 hours when I did them - low activity
DRC 5 x 50 = 250, about 4 hours now, about 10 hours when I did them - high activity (rebirth each ~1.5 hours)
UPC 8 x 20 = 160, about 18 hours now, a bit over a day when I did them - high activity (hourly campaigns)
GSC 8 x 26 = 208, about 5 hours now, about 6 hours when I did them, a few of the later ones add a few hours due to lack of monuments - high activity (rebirth each ~1.5 hours)
CBC 10 x 50 = 500 ? (not done any yet myself)
1KC 8 x 40 = 320, about 5 hours now, about 8 (pt2) - 12 (pt1) hours when I did them - high activity (rebirth each ~1.5 hours)
CPC 10 x 25 = 250 ? (not done any yet myself)
NDC 10 x 50 = 500, about 5 hours now, about 8 hours when I did them - high activity (rebirth each ~1.5 hours)
PMC 10 x 50 = 500, currently doing - first one should have been about a day, last one around 1 day 18 hours - low activity (note they could ramp up a LOT in time taken later if you get past around 2 days, as you get much larger PM boosts from the first 9 kills of each UB)
AAC 15 x 50 = 750, basically fixed time span - first one takes ~3.5 days, last one takes half that - low activity
UBC 25 x 50 = 1250 ? (only done one well over a year ago, so not sure)
NRC 40 x 20 = 800 ? (not done any yet myself)
DBC variable x 1 = ? (not done any yet myself)
DUC variable x 1 = 40-70ish, takes one day - low activity (although might be better to micromanage it a bit to optimize your score as much as you can to avoid any temptation to redo it for a long whiel)
DPC variable x 1 = 70-130ish, takes one day - low activity (although might be better to micromanage it a bit to optimize your score as much as you can to avoid any temptation to redo it for a long whiel)

Generally the obvious one is do all the day challenges once, particularly for the DUC and DPC the logarithmic scoring of the rewards mean you will get a large chunk of the points/benefit whatever point in the game you are at.

The other that sticks out as quite high points compared to my times is the NDC series, which I didn't find to be any harder than a 1KC, but scores 10 per challenge instead of 4. Conversely the 1KC seems quite low, as it scores 1 point less per challenge than a DRC (although presumably as you tend to do them later they might often in practise tend to be done faster).

Equally the GSCs seem quite high valued given most of them can be completed in a similar time to a DRC, of the last half once the more serious lack of god/creation cuts in, still half are not that bad, and there are about 4-5 where you don't get both statues/gardens which is where it does get slower, but they didn't slow down as much as I expected they would (this may be a bit dependent on your CP/might bonus/pets helping to push through the lack of monuments and monument multipliers).

Of course there is a whole other area of which challenges are particularly helpful for other challenges (1KCs for PMC, DRCs before most of the other might unlock/high activity challenges, etc.), or which get faster as you GP/might/CP/pets grow so might be better left in preference to more fixed duration challenges like the AACs.

Edit: Fixed the NRC being the wrong way around, and value of 1KCs to 8. I guess in general that now makes the split low activity challenges which seem to be generally less than 10 CHP per day, and high activity challenges where you can probably get in the region of 20 CHP per day (depending on how far you are progressed through the game)

[DoctorNovakaine]

1KCs are worth 8 CP now, I see a max of 320 CP from them total.

It seems to make the most sense to keep my multipliers up for the AACs for the time being, so I'll hold off on the challenges that kill those. The high yield of AACs makes up a bit for their length of time, plus they speed themselves up over time. I'll probably finish off the UPCs, then do a small number of CPCs (the early couple won't take too long, but I don't intend to grind them until I have six slots), then work in UUCs and BHCs, which will take no more than about day for me with low effort. At some point about halfway through the AACs I'll just start doing those continually until they're maxed.

Then the approach for once I'm through that...probably work on DRCs which only take a day at most, mixing in GSCs since that's about the same, and I think 1KCs are plenty viable. Getting those done will super help my CBCs and UBCs - my second UBC took about a week without optimization, but that'll be a lot faster with quicker achievements and might building.

I imagine at some point there will be other things to take into account since another major update is planned for the summer, so I may revisit this if circumstances change.