Order for Challenges

[Feroperetic]

I've taken the plunge and entered the UAC challenge. I was at PBaal 6 and have not yet 1-cloned my skills. Being a completionist, I know that the question of taking the UAC will forever haunt me so I thought why not be done with it? So the question is if you wanted to maximize the rewards from all the challenges in what order will you take them? and how many times for a certain challenge before switching to another one? I don't know much about the challenges, so please correct any misconceptions I have. Let's just assume that UAC should be first after beating Baal. Another assumption is most of the challenges have bonuses or rewards that will not apply after the 50th time you've taken them - so let's make that as one of our requirements i.e. they should be taken at most 50 times. I know that after a certain point the rewards become minimal so to accomodate this requirement the step to complete the required 50 should be placed near the end.

The sequence would look something like this:

1. Beat Baal
2. Do UAC
3. Beat PBaal 5
4. Do UBC 5x
5. Do another set of challenges
6. Do UBC until 50x
7/ etc.

[Ragnarockend]

1. Beat Baal
2. Do 1 UBC (because crystals could really help if you screw up a quick UAC or are doing a lazy UAC
3. Do 50 DRCs
4. & 5. Do 45 UUCs & Get to highest PBaal you can easily reach doing them.
6. Buckle up and do 40 1KCS
7. & 8. Do 50 AACs and Get to highest PBaal you can without overextending an AAC much.
9. Do 2 UACs (or 1 if you don't need a token)
10. Do 47 or 45 UBCs
11. Do 20 NRCs
12. Do PBaal 50 if you didn't get there in the AACs

1KC, AAC, & I believe NRC rewards are all still effective in UBC & UAC. UUCs reward is still effective in UBC (though not that useful), DRC reward is disabled in both. Another reason to hold off on them now is to have more pets to send out for growth & food campaigns.

It is probably best to build up some stats at some parts instead of going to the next challenges straight away so use your own discretion for that.

[Feroperetic]

Originally posted by Ragnarockend:

1. Beat Baal
2. Do 1 UBC (because crystals could really help if you screw up a quick UAC or are doing a lazy UAC
3. Do 50 DRCs
4. & 5. Do 45 UUCs & Get to highest PBaal you can easily reach doing them.
6. Buckle up and do 40 1KCS
7. & 8. Do 50 AACs and Get to highest PBaal you can without overextending an AAC much.
9. Do 2 UACs (or 1 if you don't need a token)
10. Do 47 or 45 UBCs
11. Do 20 NRCs
12. Do PBaal 50 if you didn't get there in the AACs

Thanks. I may follow this order except to do the 2 UACs up front. Or maybe do the 2nd UAC much later.

Anyone else have a different aprroach?

[Jeremelric]

In all honesty, you'll probably just end up doing whatever you feel like doing based on however much time you have to play during a time frame (new game comes out, you are busy for a few weeks, etc).

But if you are looking to follow the guide, the only thing I'd probably change is step 7 and the very end: I'd do AACs only until the increase in PBaal starts increasing too slowly. If you don't move up a god within the time frame of the AACs, I'd move on from them and save the rest for that last step, and do them while climbing up PBaals with everything else finished. Climbing those PBaals during AACs will feel a bit easier with the UBCs complete.

Also, in your case in partciular, you can skip the *first* UBC suggested because you've already taken the UAC plunge and that will unlock crystal factory exactly like UBC would (in fact, the rewards are basically two UBCs complete + a pet).

[feliscon]

Two UACs really isn't worth it. One isn't really worthwhile, I just did it because I'm a completionist.

You're much better off doing multiple UBCs in the same time, and using lucky draws/pet stones for the pets.

[Feroperetic]

Originally posted by Kraide:

But if you are looking to follow the guide, the only thing I'd probably change is step 7 and the very end: I'd do AACs only until the increase in PBaal starts increasing too slowly. If you don't move up a god within the time frame of the AACs, I'd move on from them and save the rest for that last step, and do them while climbing up PBaals with everything else finished. Climbing those PBaals during AACs will feel a bit easier with the UBCs complete.

Makes sense, thanks.

Originally posted by feliscon:

Two UACs really isn't worth it. One isn't really worthwhile, I just did it because I'm a completionist.

You're much better off doing multiple UBCs in the same time, and using lucky draws/pet stones for the pets.

Yep. pet tokens are not that hard to get now.

[sfnhltb]

Originally posted by Feroperetic:

Originally posted by Ragnarockend:

1. Beat Baal
2. Do 1 UBC (because crystals could really help if you screw up a quick UAC or are doing a lazy UAC
3. Do 50 DRCs
4. & 5. Do 45 UUCs & Get to highest PBaal you can easily reach doing them.
6. Buckle up and do 40 1KCS
7. & 8. Do 50 AACs and Get to highest PBaal you can without overextending an AAC much.
9. Do 2 UACs (or 1 if you don't need a token)
10. Do 47 or 45 UBCs
11. Do 20 NRCs
12. Do PBaal 50 if you didn't get there in the AACs

Thanks. I may follow this order except to do the 2 UACs up front. Or maybe do the 2nd UAC much later.

Anyone else have a different aprroach?

I am doing the same mostly, although I split up the DRCs with a PBaal run to get some more pets unlocked earlier, and also did all the UUCs in a second break, so did them about 16 at a time, because I don't like doing all those constant resets and rebuilding multiple times a day for more than a couple of weeks at a time.

Similarly I plan to do some AACs, then some 1KCs, then more AACs, etc., I have kind of stalled out at PBaal 35 at this point after about 13-14 AACs, so probably will switch to doing maybe 20 of the 1KCs in the next week or so - I need to get a load more clones quickly to make the crystal factory less of a drain on everything else (between needing towards 800k to run just two factories and another 800k to defend, and I only have about 1.3m, so constant swapping clones around, then you miss a respawn by half an hour and all the energy you have built up for hours drains back away).

I took the plunge and bought the fridge (plus the cheap pet token earlier), seeing as the game is free and I play it a lot it seemed fair to contribute to the dev (would prefer to just buy games up front and avoid making purchasing decisions "in game" like this, but seems like that isn't going to be the norm for idle type games), so that kind of suggests putting off UBCs/UAC until a fairly large stock of food is built up so I can keep pet growth going for the months it will take to do all of those, which kind of precludes any options that push up more than a small amount of the UBCs until everything else is done, presumably if you don't have one that wouldn't be necessary as you would just save any premium food/chocolate for them until they run out at least.

[muljostpho]

I finally did a couple challenges (both UBC (was annoyed after finishing the first that the multipliers I had built up were not among the things restored, so I said screw it and just jumped straight into another one)) just after the "version 2.0" release after a long time taking a VERY casual approach to this game (during which I had ZERO interest in touching any of the challenge modes and was fine with several month long runs just trying to stretch out to higher p.baals (highest I had defeated before starting my first challenge was p.baal24, I have 90 rebirths showing in my stats page and probably about 25-30 of those were during the 2 UBCs that I did within the last 2-3 weeks, my stats also list 110 days online and 221 days offline play time) and building up pet growth (currently over 19,500 total growth across 10 pets) and might levels (currently over 29k gained across all rebirths) and AFKy god).

Hmmm.... The description for a DRC has always come across like it's suggesting that you ought to have a ton of unspent god power on hand before starting it (like you'd need it to pay for some unlocks to get caught up or something), but... Now I think I had misread that? When the DRC description advises having a lot of god power and when the UBC description advises that it might be a better option if you don't have much god power, do they actually mean "purchased upgrades" instead of "god power"? (My stats currently show 2703 god power spent. I have 245% creating multiplier, 2450% building multiplier, 64x statistic multiplier, 5x creation count, 500k clone cap, improved "next at", and a handful of the TBS game upgrades. I know that these things are sealed away from me in a UBC but it sounds like they should all be available in a DRC. Or am I missing a reason why you would want a stash of unspent god power on hand for it?)

Anyway... I did the UBC just to unlock the crystal thing to see what that was about, but it seems a bit beyond anything I'm capable of doing just yet. Probaby should have expected that. It's like the Black Hole monument that was added a while back, which has so far seemed too expensive for me to actually try to build one.

[AzysSilverscale TTV]

u want to stash some gp for a % increase of your stats
each gp adds 1% phys mystic battle or creating (can be increased with crystal power)

[muljostpho]

Huh, never really felt like that feature was doing anything significant or noteworthy for me. I usually only dump whatever unspent points I do have into creating since that lags behind the other stats (at the moment I'm looking at physical and mystic in the low novemdecillions, battle in the high octodecillions, and creating in the mid septendecillions) in a vain effort to bring things closer to the same level, but it doesn't come anywhere close to even pretending that that's actually possible. So the excess points put into a bonus have kind of just looked like fluff in my experience. But I'm usually only holding onto them until I reach whatever 10 or 25 that I might be aiming for to get whatever upgrade I'm looking at next. I've only had more than that on hand at once when a lucky draw gave me 100 once and when I finished each of those UBCs to get the 100 plus the few hundred refunded from upgrades made during the UBC, and I put all of that into more upgrades pretty quickly. I currently have 9 unspent points on hand.

I'll keep that in mind though. (But just how many hundreds, or perhaps even thousands, of unspent points are we talking about stashing to have a game-changing effect there?)

[Jeremelric]

To be fair, the DRC is not really saying you should have a ton banked, but that it's easier if you have a lot of purchases. The reason it says UBC is better if you have fewer purchases is that less of most purchases don't impact the challenge (your GP stats, like building and creating speeds and max clones) are reset for the beginning of the challenge, and the main things you get to keep are things like clone caps for training and unlocks for your planet, and highest god killed for the purpose of your DivGen.

On the other hand, DRC resets nothing at all except your multipliers, which come and go quickly and easily as you gain GP stats like building speed and creation speed and are really almost no loss at all. Since your creation and building speeds and max clones and clone count are all kept when you do a DRC, you'll find it goes faster and faster the more GP you have earned.

Banked GP doesn't have to be significant to make a noticeable difference, however: 100 banked GP is enough to double a stat before crystal power, and it can be enough in cases to die very quickly to a god or outlast his damage, or it can be enough to finish him off with your attack before he can finish you or not, and the longer a run takes the longer it can take to reach that point and the more meaning it has.

It is important, however, to use it correctly: for example, throwing it in creation just because creation is your lowest stat and you want to even it out is never a good idea. Instead, you'll want to put it in whatever your HIGHEST attack stat is (physical or battle) so your attack is increased as high as possible for fighting gods, generally. If you are speed running, you'll find it is in mystic often because your health often cannot fill as fast as your max hp is building so you always have an extremely small health pool and the mystic will help you have as much health as possible for that final push before you reset. I'd often say "when in doubt, shove it in physical" but in reality some more sound advice is "put your banked GP in whatever stat increases your power level the most" until you are used to manipulating it for the best possible current use. It doesn't hurt much to spread it relatively evenly between physical and mystic if you aren't doing anything in particular, but spreading it any more thin than that (like splitting it between 3 or especially all 4 stats) is a very poor use of the banked GP.

[AzysSilverscale TTV]

depends on your crystal power but 400 is a good start... doubles your power level

[Ragnarockend]

Finally started a UAC myself and man it really baffles me how so many people can stand 1 of these without any other challenge rewards. I probably won't be doing a second one.

mulijostpho I would suggest keeping about 10% of your total spent gp as banked gp. Though feel free to completely ignore this tip before that number is 100 or so.

[sfnhltb]

Originally posted by Ragnarockend:

Finally started a UAC myself and man it really baffles me how so many people can stand 1 of these without any other challenge rewards. I probably won't be doing a second one.

mulijostpho I would suggest keeping about 10% of your total spent gp as banked gp. Though feel free to completely ignore this tip before that number is 100 or so.

UACs like UUCs can be done more or less for free when doing P Baal climbs (well UACs towards the end), so it makes sense their benefits don't need to be as much as the ones that otherwise cripple you while you are doing them, and in the end a UAC will make you reach all the achievement marks twice as fast while permanently boosting all your stats by 50% forever (well, as soon you start hitting achievements in each run, but that is more or less immediately)

[ValanL]

Originally posted by sfnhltb:

Originally posted by Ragnarockend:

Finally started a UAC myself and man it really baffles me how so many people can stand 1 of these without any other challenge rewards. I probably won't be doing a second one.

mulijostpho I would suggest keeping about 10% of your total spent gp as banked gp. Though feel free to completely ignore this tip before that number is 100 or so.

UACs like UUCs can be done more or less for free when doing P Baal climbs (well UACs towards the end), so it makes sense their benefits don't need to be as much as the ones that otherwise cripple you while you are doing them, and in the end a UAC will make you reach all the achievement marks twice as fast while permanently boosting all your stats by 50% forever (well, as soon you start hitting achievements in each run, but that is more or less immediately)

I think you are confusing UACs and AACs...

[sfnhltb]

Originally posted by ValanL:

I think you are confusing UACs and AACs...

Haha, oops, yeah, I seem to do that quite regularly, reading UAC as Ultimate Achievement Challenge to match UUC.