New to Challenges: What do?

[[NN] MyChrysalis]

As it says on my public steam profile, I've played ITRTG (online) for over 423 hours now and I've finally unlocked Challenges by killing Baal. While I'm glad there's warnings and suggestions in place when hovering over the challenges, I'm unsure of which challenges would be useful in undertaking. As of writing this, my highest ever creation has only been 1 earthlike planet, and that cost a fair portion of GP in divinity purchases so I could try out the features like Planets and Baal Slayer.

As a newbie to challenges, what would be a suggested course of action? Do I just perform normal rebirths until I'm stronger or can I shoot for the starts in certain challenges?

Stats about my save:
Highest Creation: 1 earthlike planet
Total Clones: 141,000
Current GP: 35
Creating Speed %: 281%
Building Speed %: 280%
Physical Multi: 8.609 Duodecillion
Mystic Multi: 8.621 Duodecillion
Battle Multi: 3.292 Duodecillion
Creating Multi: 14.109 Duodecillion
Planet Level: 1
Creations to Create Bar: 5 max

[roku750]

I would farm a bit more GP and Might first. The easiest challenges with good rewards imho are Double Rebirth and Ultimate Universe, but you might struggle with them with your current stats. As a side-note, some people like to get their first Ultimate Baal or Arty out of the way early since there aren't many bonuses that you can carry over into them so having low stats doesn't matter much. As a warning, they can stall your progress quite a bit. Baal takes a little under a week give or take a few days depending on how actively you play and Arty can take 1-3 months. If waiting that long doesn't sound very appealing, you may want to delay them. A lot of players skip Arty entirely. I personally don't see much reason to do the first Baal until you think you can kill Planet Eater v2, but I thought I'd mention it anyway since some players like to get it out of the way early.

[[NN] MyChrysalis]

Totally forgot to add my might stat, it's around the 300% mark I believe (Need to reunlock the tab).

I'll try to work on more GP first then, see what else I can get out of it. What stats do you think the GP should be invested into?

[roku750]

Clones are the most important. Clones build, fight ultimate beings, speed up might, speed up surge, can boost the generator to over 100%, and boost pets. Creation count should keep up with your clone count so you can reach max clones in good time. What time that is varies with your playstyle. A high creation count will also give you discounts on bulk creations. Building speed is probably the next most important. Although it's not as important as clones since it only helps with building, don't let it lag too far behind since building is still very important. At some point also look into some of the other fun stuff depending on your playstyle such as auto-buy cost reduction, improved next at, tbs, and pet buttons. Some will be worthless in some playstyles so pick whichever seem useful to you. Creation speed will eventually become useful again when you run certain challenges, are making a lot of high-level creations such as universes, and fight ultimate being v2s...though it is low priority because it's a complete waste when making low-level creations such as clones once you are creating them every tick. Statistic multiplier is the lowest priority since you can boost your stat multi by doing challenges and such, but it can be useful if you are pushing super high Baal levels and have a lot of spare GP. I personally prefer to spend as little as possible here because it is worthless in most runs. High Baal kills can unlock pets, boost the divgen, and boost Ionoi (for v2s), so I wouldn't say it's totally worthless though.

[Deathblade]

Someone can correct me if i am wrong on these


DRC- I suggest 245% creation 10 CC and 875% Building for a 2-3 day run, the reward is when you unlock might you get 1 in all of them per finish, 50 max

1k challenge- i would really suggest getting high % building, 1000 clones max, faster building-faster monuments-faster completion, finishing gives 5% faster might(which is needed for V2 UB), unlocks after doing 1 DRC

UUC-I suggest when you are going to do longer runs(making a universe), with a good div gen, gives +1 planet level(up to 50)

AAC(unlocked by getting all achivement)-Get all achivements, including the build 4 universes(3.5 days to do all of physical/skill), so i would say high building speed and a good amount of clones needed if you dont want to spend 9+ days gonig for it, every achivement gives 1% better stats, and 1% less requirements and a 750,000 stat multiplier

No rebirth- Resets all multipliers, cant rebirth, relies on your GP purchaces, speeds up UB's appearance by 1%(capped at 20%), unlocked by beating 1k

For both of these next 2, any GP you spend will be refunded at the end, ex. if you spend 100 in UBC, you get 100 back plus the reward

UBC-Carries over skill caps(so 1 capping is recommended), dividers(so kill a total of 475,000, and make 950,000 total clones to max it out), highest god killed(div generator), and planet(easy kill clones before rebirth). gives 100GP, a 5 million stat multiplier and 1% less P baal power gap, up to 50%(stacks with...)

UAC-Oh the big one, removes everything but dividers, if active can take as low as 21 days, or up to 90 days(my first one was 45ish days), rewards, A turtle pet, and 2% reduce p baal power gap, every subsequent complete is a pet token, a 10 million stat multiplier and 200 GP



I did my UAC first, only because, i'm not losing much, but if you want all the pets, you need to do 2 UACs for 1 pet token(second time you get 1 pet token), the only other way to get the other 3 permium pets is get a 1/200 chance out of a lucky draw

[roku750]

Only corrections are you need 3 Universes for AAC, not 4, and you don't get refunds for pet food in UBC/UAC.

If you can stand to waste a few months and potentially come to hate the game, UAC is indeed a good place to start unless you spend real money on the game in which case you will want to stock up on Mighty Food first for a Fridge so you can build up your pets a lot along the way. The reason for this is that UAC's main reward is the turtle pet and at the moment the sooner you get pets the better. Of course, I repeat that many players opt to skip the UAC because the rewards are not good. You can just do 2 UBCs and use a pet token (I'm pretty sure it lets you buy turtle this way also) for the same result and save yourself weeks or months. It's up to you and how long you think you'll be playing.

[Deathblade]

Originally posted by roku750:

Only corrections are you need 3 Universes for AAC, not 4, and you don't get refunds for pet food in UBC/UAC.

If you can stand to waste a few months and potentially come to hate the game, UAC is indeed a good place to start unless you spend real money on the game in which case you will want to stock up on Mighty Food first for a Fridge so you can build up your pets a lot along the way. The reason for this is that UAC's main reward is the turtle pet and at the moment the sooner you get pets the better. Of course, I repeat that many players opt to skip the UAC because the rewards are not good. You can just do 2 UBCs and use a pet token (I'm pretty sure it lets you buy turtle this way also) for the same result and save yourself weeks or months. It's up to you and how long you think you'll be playing.

Whoops mistyped, and really they dont give back the GP on the food(well i usually use the free food anyways), and besides, in UAC, why the heck would you spend GP on food?

Although if you do want to burn some real money, the double daily draw+GP does have effect in a UAC, so for $4.90, you could power boost your GP in UAC(30 extra GP), and considering if your doing a
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UAC, you only gain 37 in the first 4 rebirths, and 19 in the final rebirth, that is 56, so almost 1/2 extra GP, and all that in your first rebirth(normally first rebirth is 20ish days(which you gain 7 GS)).


And UBC gives pet tokens? i didnt know that.

[sfnhltb]

UBC doesn't give pet tokens, I think he meant you could buy a pet token (the first one is discounted) and do two UBCs for the same benefits of a UAC with about 2 months less time spent.

For someone newly defeating Baal there are a few possibilities that seem reasonable to me, and which you do is dependent on how you want to play/progress:

Push your way up the P Baal stack doing no challenges: benefits of this are you build your divinity generator capacity up, you unlock another extra pet or two (if you can get to 5/10) early in the game so you can start building their stats towards something useful earlier. The Baal Points will let you buy strong food for your two pets and start building them up (although they still won't have much impact for some time to come). Downsides are you won't get much GP as your resets will tend to be slow, and you will probably need to spend much that you get on statistic multipliers to match your growing god multiplier.

Do a UAC: Gets it out of the way if you plan on doing it while you don't have much GP spent on stuff, might bonus, pet multiplier, etc., that you will feel the loss of badly if you do it later in the game. As well as the turtle it also gives you 10m statistic multiplier I believe, which will give you a good head start on getting even more pets. Conversely you won't be getting much GP and no Baal Points to buy decent food, so your existing pets won't grow much during these 2 months or more, you don't get much might bonus built, etc. I think the game advantage of this is limited, the negatives are high as you virtually stall the game in most ways for a couple of months, but that is true whenever you do it, so...(I skipped this so far)

Do a UBC: Gets a large chunk of the benefit of a UAC in a fraction of the time- 5 million statistic multiplier, which will help a lot if you want to kill P Baals, and a moderate GP boost - 100 from the challenge plus whatever you earn/use during it, although you probably need to factor in some other options would get GP faster than you will earn it during the UBC. Unlocks PE V2 but that is irrelevant for a long while yet. Pet growth and might bonus will stall, but only for a week or so, so not nearly such a big deal. You will come back to do many more much later if you want to get the really high P Baals dead (50+ sort of levels, I have reached ~30 with only 1 UBC so far, but it is increasingly slow progress without plenty of UBCs done to shrink the gap)

GP Farming: Do loads of 1 hour resets (or a bit longer so early in the game if you can knock of extra gods reasonably rapidly and aren't killing many that give GP within an hour). This is useful for building up your CC/clone count/build speed of course, but stalls pets (maybe overnight you do one feed a day but it will cost some of the GP you are grinding) and might growth as you won't be clearing P Baals in that sort of time frame. It is also quite intensive due to all the constant resets and rebuilding everything, so personally I have avoiding this sort of option (apart from short multiplier destruction sessions for quick GP before starting a multiplier zeroing challenge)

DRC: This gives you free might levels (and thus might bonus builds) every time you unlock the might tab, which is nice but only if you do a LOT of DRCs - the first few give you the first few levels of might which are (relatively) quick to build with clones anyway, so the benefit is low if you only do a few. Doing them early in the game will make them relatively slow - they will be much easier/faster with a reasonable amount of GP spent, pet bonus, might bonus, etc., to push you through more gods per reset. You will get a fair amount of GP with all the resets, so could be seen as a "challenge productive" but inefficient GP farming mode. Pet growth will suffer, conversely once you have done quite a few DRCs done you might switch to 1h45m resets so you unlock might over and over to build the bonus and take advantage of those previous DRCs, while not tending to slow you down too much (as you kill more gods each time and do less resets than doing hourly resets, so its not like it halves your completion speed).

UUC: Don't worry about them until you build a universe. When you do, 45 UUCs in a row is highly recommended to max your planet level, because knocking off powersurge points in a couple of seconds a time is cool and lets you kill ITRTG without having to spend so much time rebuilding all the clones it kills normally, among other things. Plus it combines well with a trip up the P Baal stack, so you can build your divgen power, pet growth, unlock more pets and build the planet level all in one go.

AAC: Wow, these are slow - 4 days at first, although each one speeds up subsequent ones down to 2 days. But stil its about 5 months to do them all, although there you could do them in bunches rather than all at once - again they fit well with P Baal progression, and pet growth but slow down might growth due to the infrequent resets especially for the first bunch. Gives you plenty of time for building Black Holes, which is nice for passive GP gain while you sleep (if you can leave your computer on overnight/while at work/etc). Pretty much they take over the same role as UUC once you have done all of them, but just quite a bit slower.

1kC: Basically a slower, more annoying DRC, so do them sometime after doing all the DRCs...and increasing your building multiplier a lot. You do them to prepare for moving onto PE V2 and beyond from what I understand (have only done 1 so far for the achievement, it wasn't too bad although the last couple of resets were 1 god progressed per time, whereas in DRCs I would still be jumping 4-5 at a time at the end - lack of monuments and pet bonus mostly)

NRC: I have no idea how this can be possible, but presumably it is, so can't really help with this one apart from saying don't worry about it for a long time - well, you need to clear a 1kC (or more than one?) before you even have the option anyway.

[roku750]

Nice post sfnhltb. That definitely sums everything up well. Yes, I meant that you could spend a pet token (buy or win in daily draw) and 2 UBCs for a month or two less than the UAC not that you win pet tokens from UBCs. As far as I know the only pet token you can earn is from your second UAC victory, but if you play for a year or two you'll probably get enough pet tokens from daily draws to just buy the turtle. The downside is that the turtle would be underpowered longer, but even if the turtle is as strong as the rest of your pets, you're looking at a <10% stat gain at the cost of 1-2 months, which is why people say the UAC's rewards are poor. I decided to go for it over the holidays when I was super busy anyway and will probably do the second at some point, but it's not for everyone.

Another note on the NRC: looks like someone on Kong finished it, but it took over 22 days with 10k+ GP and booster items to speed it up. Yikes. I won't be trying that for a while.

[Mep]

Would suggest either go for uac or ubc as first. UAC you don't miss what you didn't had for long right? :P. Ubc prior god power doesn't really come to play and you did maxed trainings for 1 clone each?. Do get planet 1 before though. Makes killing clones lot easier in challenge.

[Jeremelric]

UBC is good early on because less of your investments are utilized in it, and you earn a pretty good chunk of stat multi and GP, as well as a very powerful (but more long-term) bonus to killing P. Baals. UAC is never better than UBC, because while you get double the rewards from it, you can finish quite a few UBCs in the same amount of time. One or two UACs ever, just to get a couple free pets, are all you should ever do.

If you DO decide to do a UAC, make afky god your new best friend, because this is going to be your best chance to get very high scores and increase your multiplier and thus get a large chunk of the statistic benefit from it, which is probably the only decent long-term benefit from doing the run that UBC doesn't offer.

A UAC is best, honestly, when you don't otherwise have time to be very active for a long period of time.

[[NN] MyChrysalis]

Is there any issues if you "fail" a challenge? Like the DRC for example? If you don't do it in two rebirths, do you lose anything or go back on stats etc etc?

[feliscon]

Originally posted by Queen Chrysalis ♥:

Is there any issues if you "fail" a challenge? Like the DRC for example? If you don't do it in two rebirths, do you lose anything or go back on stats etc etc?

That's not what DRC means. You have no rebirth limit, but it affects your multipliers as if you had just rebirth twice at once, ie. a 'double' rebirth.

[[NN] MyChrysalis]

Originally posted by feliscon:

Originally posted by Queen Chrysalis ♥:

Is there any issues if you "fail" a challenge? Like the DRC for example? If you don't do it in two rebirths, do you lose anything or go back on stats etc etc?

That's not what DRC means. You have no rebirth limit, but it affects your multipliers as if you had just rebirth twice at once, ie. a 'double' rebirth.

This entire time, I was under the impression that it meant you had to defeat baal in only two rebirths... I er... I didn't know it meant like that.

[DoctorNovakaine]

I just did a UBC, and it took me 18 rebirths over about two weeks. But I'm a fairly slow player, others can probably get it done a lot faster. It's a good first challenge to do because of the GP boost, I got almost 300 total out of it.

[TTV BrokenBrookie]

Originally posted by Queen Chrysalis ♥:

Is there any issues if you "fail" a challenge? Like the DRC for example? If you don't do it in two rebirths, do you lose anything or go back on stats etc etc?

I just purposely failed mine to find out for you.

If you fail the UAC or UBC, you get all your clones back (I got my 140k cap), all your god power upgrades and you an use pets again. so it's basically the same except you don't have your old rebirth multis, hope that helps!!