L85A2 is too messed up.

[Gonzo850]

I know this isn't the only weird weapon in this game but this really does not make sense and it's visually jarring.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1258937580

[Pvt. Stash]

Originally posted by Gonzo850:

I know this isn't the only weird weapon in this game but this really does not make sense and it's visually jarring.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1258937580

You mean your ear isn't supposed to sit right on top of the ejection port?

[Mobius]

They still havent fixed the animation for flipping up the magnifier. They obviously don't give a ♥♥♥♥.

[Mobius]

The only reason the scope is so far up on this rifle is so they can re-use the animations from the other weapons. They are unvelievably lazy.

[Mobius]

Don't know why they keep including this gun in their games though. It's one of the least reliable, worst designed modern military rifles in existence.

[Gonzo850]

They probably got lots of stuff on their list. They patched in pvp in a really short time.

[Kay]

Originally posted by Dog:

Don't know why they keep including this gun in their games though. It's one of the least reliable, worst designed modern military rifles in existence.

Like the original M16

Only with the same barrel length, shorter overall length, and in the A2 and A3 versions it's about as reliable as M4 rifles currently in service in America.

Just like the M16, the original version had problems, they've been ironed out but people still hate on it for problems it doesn't have anymore.

[Terrortoma]

Yep, we should have stuck with the L1A1 SLR. Awesome rifle, replaced by a rifle plagued with issues (until H&K fixed it)

[Izziee]

Originally posted by Dog:

Don't know why they keep including this gun in their games though. It's one of the least reliable, worst designed modern military rifles in existence.

Only it isn't.

[rabbiddomination]

Originally posted by Dog:

Don't know why they keep including this gun in their games though. It's one of the least reliable, worst designed modern military rifles in existence.

I'd disagree with you about the reliability issues (Most faults reportedly occurred on rifles produced at RSAF Enfield and its relatively antiquated machinery rather than rifles subsequently produced at what was then known as Royal Ordnance, and in any case the A2 upgrade package brought about vast improvements in reliability), and its inclusion in GRW does make some sense since real-life Bolivian paramilitary units do make limited use of it: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2012/12/31/sa80-in-bolivia/

[Hawk]

Originally posted by rabbiddomination:

snip..

You may want to look up forgotten weapons on Youtube and look for the L85 videos, he explains in far more detail why the entire system is just screwed permanently. Most of it revolves around the fact that the original designers were just engineers not weapon designers. While it is “better” then it has ever been it is still not a good weapon over all.

[Izziee]

Originally posted by Hawk:

Originally posted by rabbiddomination:

snip..

You may want to look up forgotten weapons on Youtube and look for the L85 videos, he explains in far more detail why the entire system is just screwed permanently. Most of it revolves around the fact that the original designers were just engineers not weapon designers. While it is “better” then it has ever been it is still not a good weapon over all.

I'm not going to watch it again as I've seen it a long time ago, but one, if I recall he was pretty dated in his "analysis" two, he is pretty biased especially due to him being left handed which the gun does not favour and three, it's just one guys opinion. Forth, I'll trust the forces and those who have real world experience with it, to which I know numerous friends who have, as well as the many documentaries where almost all the troops were praising it, even having some Americans who favoured it over theirs once they had gotten use to it. Fifth, if I recall he was talking about the A1 version but maybe he made more but I find him hard to watch.

Edit - Yeah I see he has another on it, I didn't watch the whole video, just skipped to the end to hear his "opinion"

"Well, as you would expect from a relatively heavy 5.56 recoil is minimal on this"

"In full auto I was bracing myself into it just to make sure I kept it under control and in fact it is quite easy to keep it under control"

"There are two optics on the rifle [details on the RMR and 4x] which is a _really_ nice optic [more fluff] it's an extremely capable optic"

Yeah...sounds TERRIBLE.

[JC D]

Originally posted by Izziee:

Originally posted by Hawk:

You may want to look up forgotten weapons on Youtube and look for the L85 videos, he explains in far more detail why the entire system is just screwed permanently. Most of it revolves around the fact that the original designers were just engineers not weapon designers. While it is “better” then it has ever been it is still not a good weapon over all.

I'm not going to watch it again as I've seen it a long time ago, but one, if I recall he was pretty dated in his "analysis" two, he is pretty biased especially due to him being left handed which the gun does not favour and three, it's just one guys opinion. Forth, I'll trust the forces and those who have real world experience with it, to which I know numerous friends who have, as well as the many documentaries where almost all the troops were praising it, even having some Americans who favoured it over theirs once they had gotten use to it. Fifth, if I recall he was talking about the A1 version but maybe he made more but I find him hard to watch.

Edit - Yeah I see he has another on it, I didn't watch the whole video, just skipped to the end to hear his "opinion"

"Well, as you would expect from a relatively heavy 5.56 recoil is minimal on this"

"In full auto I was bracing myself into it just to make sure I kept it under control and in fact it is quite easy to keep it under control"

"There are two optics on the rifle [details on the RMR and 4x] which is a _really_ nice optic [more fluff] it's an extremely capable optic"

Yeah...sounds TERRIBLE.

"It has a good scope, therefore the gun itself is good"

wtf

[Izziee]

Originally posted by Lumpytusk:

Originally posted by Izziee:

I'm not going to watch it again as I've seen it a long time ago, but one, if I recall he was pretty dated in his "analysis" two, he is pretty biased especially due to him being left handed which the gun does not favour and three, it's just one guys opinion. Forth, I'll trust the forces and those who have real world experience with it, to which I know numerous friends who have, as well as the many documentaries where almost all the troops were praising it, even having some Americans who favoured it over theirs once they had gotten use to it. Fifth, if I recall he was talking about the A1 version but maybe he made more but I find him hard to watch.

Edit - Yeah I see he has another on it, I didn't watch the whole video, just skipped to the end to hear his "opinion"

"Well, as you would expect from a relatively heavy 5.56 recoil is minimal on this"

"In full auto I was bracing myself into it just to make sure I kept it under control and in fact it is quite easy to keep it under control"

"There are two optics on the rifle [details on the RMR and 4x] which is a _really_ nice optic [more fluff] it's an extremely capable optic"

Yeah...sounds TERRIBLE.

"It has a good scope, therefore the gun itself is good"

wtf

Yeah, cherry pickers always make a compelling argument, after all, that was all he said, right...right?

[JC D]

Originally posted by Izziee:

Originally posted by Lumpytusk:

"It has a good scope, therefore the gun itself is good"

wtf

Yeah, cherry pickers always make a compelling argument, after all, that was all he said, right...right?

No, that's what you appear to have said.

There's also a lot of irony involved here - I'm a "cherrypicker" but you list one thing that doesn't have anything to do with the gun [optic] and one thing that is both bad and good [weight]; your conclusion is "it's a good gun"?

No, weight is not a particularly good thing in a rifle. Anybody with a modicum of skill is going to use semi-auto, and you don't need weight to keep semi-automatic 5.56 under control.

Fully automatic fire is wasteful in any gun without a watercooled or quick-change barrel. The L85A2 is not intended to be used as a SAW/LSW (even the L86LSW sucks as a machinegun), so how controllable it is doesn't matter.


"It's controllable is a seperate plus from the weight!" No, it's not. It's controllable because of the weight.

[Izziee]

Originally posted by Lumpytusk:

Originally posted by Izziee:

Yeah, cherry pickers always make a compelling argument, after all, that was all he said, right...right?

No, that's what you appear to have said.

There's also a lot of irony involved here - I'm a "cherrypicker" but you list one thing that doesn't have anything to do with the gun [optic] and one thing that is both bad and good [weight]; your conclusion is "it's a good gun"?

No, weight is not a particularly good thing in a rifle. Anybody with a modicum of skill is going to use semi-auto, and you don't need weight to keep semi-automatic 5.56 under control.

Fully automatic fire is wasteful in any gun without a watercooled or quick-change barrel. The L85A2 is not intended to be used as a SAW/LSW (even the L86LSW sucks as a machinegun), so how controllable it is doesn't matter.


"It's controllable is a seperate plus from the weight!" No, it's not. It's controllable because of the weight.

No, I mentioned eight things, and said everything _he_ said about the weapon from the point I watched the video...the summary, which is far from "he explains why it's screwed up"

You cherry picked one point on what he said out of his whole summary, failing to make a point against a guy I already said I wouldn't take his word for. So, well done there. Where in my "conclusion" did I say it was a good gun? "Yeah..sounds terrible" =/= "I think it's a good gun" So, not only do you cherry pick, you add words? On a roll here.

You're trying hard to tell me things I already know. What you can't seem to grasp, I put things in quotation marks, do you know what they are? They are things _he_ said.

Do keep trying.