Bayonetta 3 - No PC, No Buy.

[Geo]

Simple as that.

If you're ok with Bayonetta 2&3 being a switch exclusive, good for you guys, I ain't taking that away from you. I'm just not into wasting $300 just to play 1 game. Sorry.

[geoneil]

Publicado originalmente por Yash:

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Sony and Nintendo aren't open markets.

Neither are Epic, Origin, Uplay, GOG, Itch...

You need to comply with their rules and terms as a publisher.

Just like Epic.

Games are also certified on consoles.

Just like Epic

Sony/Nintendo won't let Epic/Valve or anyone else to launch their own launchers/apps on their systems.

Just like EA/Ubisoft

Of course they'll include non-gaming third party services like Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, Hulu, Amazon Prime and other entertainment apps. But a big NO to all third party stores.

Just like every storefront on every device.

That's one of the reason why its bs to compare Epic Game Store to Sony/Nintendo shops.

In that the only difference between Sony/Nintendo and everyone else is they're on a console, not a PC. Why should Sony/Nintendo pour money into developing a console made of commodity parts and sell it at a loss when it's nothing more than a gateway to ONE store? Why not release that same store on the PC alongside other storefronts like Epic, especially if all consoles are download only?

More reasons on the original post.

Which I've already responded to and debunked.

I was talking about investment in producing, manufacturing, promoting and selling consoles.

Which costs money and incurs a loss, money that Epic isn't spending, a loss that Epic isn't incurring. So why do it?

You seem to misunderstand that.

How?

Trust me mate, its not that easy.

You yourself said it costs millions and each sale incurs a loss. If I'm misunderstanding that, could you explain it to me a little better?

Marketing also plays a huge role (remember Xbox One's disastrous launch?). Billions of dollars are spent into these project and small mistakes can cause huge losses considering consoles are sold at a loss too.

Billions of dollars and huge losses that Epic don't have to worry about. What am I misunderstanding?

Yes, its is okay for console makers to sell their exclusives on their own stores.

And therefore, you must think that it is OK for Epic to sell their exclusives on their own store. What am I misunderstanding?

Are you crazy or something dude?

And that's a disrespectful comment.

Don't you understand what first party titles are??

Yes, they're those things Epic have exclusive to their launcher, EA have exclusive to Origin and Ubisoft have exclusive to Uplay. What am I misunderstanding?

Their rules, if you want to buy the game buy the console or move away.

Exactly. Download the Epic Launcher or move away. What am I misunderstanding?

Consoles need to have exclusives, its one of the reason they sell soo great. What's the point of selling a console if there are no first party titles.

And by that, you admit that there is no real reason to buy a console and all of the billion of dollars and huge losses incurred in their development and sales (expenses and losses that Epic don't have to worry about) are pointless.

Epic, Origin and Uplay need to have exclusives, it's the one reason so many people have accounts on Epic, Origin and Uplay. What's the point of having an account on Epic, Origin and Uplay if there are no first party titles.

You said what's the point in selling at a console at a loss. It's a very broader concept. Loss Leader Pricing to be precise.

OK...

In order to make a long term income, producers sell their products at a very cheap price.

Do they now?

They must be idiots!!!!! LOL...well no

And that's another unnecessary outburst.

that's because there are plenty of other sources they can earn money.

Really? Do go on...

First off they make money by getting charging 30% direct cut from every purchase you make from Playstation Network/Xbox Store.

Just like every online store on every device, including stores that don't have to sell consoles at a loss.

They also make a cut with every physical game you buy from a retailer.

Not on a download-only console... y'know, the sort Microsoft have actually announced...

Both Sony and Microsoft charge $40/year for online services and that's where the servers comes in sir.

$40/year more than Epic or Valve, probably because Epic and Valve haven't incurred huge losses on a piece of plastic.

And yes, other companies are also free to do that, just don't panic.

You seem to like using expression like "Are you crazy" "Don't panic" posts that seem to indicate that you're assuming that there is a lot emotion involved here.

When have you seen me use language like this? Why are you using language like this?

Because from where I'm sitting it looks like you're projecting. As if emotion is all you've got.

Sony/Nintendo and even Microsoft (we'll just take Sony/Nintendo for now) have bought several studios under Sony Interactive Entertainment and Nintendo Publishing respectively.

See also, EA. See also, Epic with their recent purchase of the developer of Rocket League.

Sony for eg. spends massive amounts on their first party games like God of War, Spider-Man, Horizon Zero Dawn and it makes them a lot of money by selling millions of copies.

See also EA. See also, Epic. See also Ubisoft.

Yet I don't see you praising Epic the same way that you're praising Sony and Nintendo. Why?

Good exclusives also make good headlines on the internet and bring more new people on-to those consoles. Same with Switch (besides its portability and friendly games).

See also, Epic.

Now don't say why they aren't selling their games on PC....

Oh no, because then you'll have explain yourself.

If publishers want to steer away from Steam and sell their games on their own clients or make the deal with the dev...Epic Game Store there's nothing illegal about it.

Just like Sony, Nintendo and Microsoft (Microsoft announcing that they'll be bringing their games to Steam)

They can do whatever they want. They just won't get my money.

Why? Why are you prepared to spend money on an entirely different device just to play platforms exclusives, but you're not prepared to download another free launcher on the hardware you already have just to play platform exclusives?

Because the only reason I can see you having is emotion and familiarity.

You feel as if Epic funding games for exclusivity and having first party exclusives (nothing Valve couldn't do, btw) is somehow Bad and Wrong, because you're not familiar with Epic. You are however familiar with consoles so you don't feel as if there's anything wrong with having to buy a console to play exclusives. You don't feel as if there's anything wrong with Nintendo funding games in exchange for exclusivity.

Sadly it's my loss as it won't matter to them if they lose one customer like me.

It seems to matter a great deal to you, judging by the length of your posts.

"Both, Nintendo and Sony are doing extremely well with their traditional gaming business". I actually meant selling consoles and bringing new excluives every year.

Something Epic can do without the expense of having to sell consoles.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/sony-microsoft-apos-consoles-big-000000145.html

Extra costs on console ownership (that don't exist on Epic) to recoup the losses manufacturing consoles (that Epic don't have to recoup)

https://www.forbes.com/sites/erikkain/2013/09/20/sony-to-take-a-loss-on-playstation-4-sales/#299896576f1d - 2013 report

Losses Epic don't have to worry about.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reasons-console-gaming-better-pc-gaming/ - reasons people buy consoles over PC...includes one of my point (exclusives)

A fluff piece that is wrong on every level.

Also, linked from your own source...

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/reasons-pc-gaming-better-console-gaming/

I need more than CONSOLE GOOD EPIC BAD UR A BIG MEENIEHEAD to be convinced. Come up with actual reasons.

[Charged Dreamer]

You realize that PC is a open market right? You can sell your own game and make it exclusive to your own store. That's exactly what EA is doing with their platform i.e Origin. PC is the market here and no Uplay/Epic/GOG or anything else.

EA and Ubisoft doesn't make consoles/hardware for you play games. You can't say same as EA/Ubisoft. They are making multi-platform games and selling them on consoles as well as PC. Win-win situation. They have complete freedom on where to release their games.

You said:
"Why should Sony/Nintendo pour money into developing a console made of commodity parts and sell it at a loss when it's nothing more than a gateway to ONE store? Why not release that same store on the PC alongside other storefronts like Epic, especially if all consoles are download only?"

Well........It's Sony's/Nintendo's choice. You don't have any say in that matter. If you're not satisfied with their decision you may chose not to buy their consoles and games. Do you seriously think Sony/Nintendo would ever want to sell their games on PC? That's just weird...why would they do that? Again...its their decision.
Most importantly who said anything about consoles going digital download only? Just because Microsoft launches all digital Xbox One S doesn't mean traditional disk based gaming is dead. Xbox One S all digital is targeted for a specific target audience only, especially for people who would like a smaller and compact console with a lighter weight and lesser price. Microsoft won't have to pay Sony for Bluray patents either.
The next gen consoles will continue the tradition of a Bluray disk drive. Sony knows a lot of people buy their games on Bluray (including me) and it would be a disappointment if they don't include them. Not everyone likes to download large chunks on data especially gamers who live in cities with poor bandwidth or developing nations where internet infrastructure as good. so yes, Playstation 5 and Xbox Project Scarlet will retain 4K UHD Bluray drives and every AAA/AA game will be available to buy at your nearest/online retailer in Bluray discs. This will play a more important role as next gen games are going to be extremely large. I remember RDR2 was almost a 100GB. Don't expect Sony to abandon Bluray at least for the next 15-20 years.

LOL....I just told you how Sony makes money despite selling at a loss and all you've been replying to me is "Just like this, just like that and other bs, Just like what?"

My apologies for offending you with my previous post. Sorry :(

I'm not praising Epic in anyway. I told you before that they won't be getting my money. I'd rather buy the same game on PS4 instead of buying the game on Epic. Although I don't like Epic's methods I don't fully blame them either. They're here for business and what they are doing is 100% legal. Most of the people blame Epic but you must remember who's dealing with the devil, its the publishers!! They turn against Steam for a higher cut. Publishers are interested in money especially the public companies that need to bring a big stock value for their investors. I'd say Ubisoft, 2K Games, Deep Silver and all these other big publishers and people like Randy Pitchford are equally to be blamed. If you have a problem sign a petition or vote with your wallet. Make these publishers realize that customer should be at the center. I agree with you on this one. but like I said its completely legal.

Let me give you an example. As much as I like playing games, I love streaming movies and TV at home. So today we are living streaming wars. Netflix was the one big key player 5 years back. If you wanted to watch a big movie, Netflix would most probably have everything you wanted but its changing. Disney, Amazon, AT&T are all into it today.

Disney forced Netflix to cancel all Marvel Property shows because now they want YOU to pay them instead of Netflix. Got Netflix and want to watch some Star Wars or Marvel/X-Men movie? How about some Avatar or any Fox movie? Too bad its all going down in the coming months. Disney has decided to pull all TV shows/Movies related to any Disey/Marvel/Star Wars/Pixar property from Netflix. Disney basically owns everything you love.

AT&T will also remove all WB properties including most movies, including HBO shows like Game of Thrones, West World, series produced by WarnerMedia like the Office, Friends etc. will be available exclusively on their OWN streaming service starting from next year. This includes Harry Potter/DC Universe/Middle Earth and more.

Apple will continue the same trend and is about to invest billions into their own streaming service very soon. Expect to see more exclusive deals with movie studios and television producers.

That's not it Amazon, Hulu, maybe even Google at some point will most definitely try to capture and secure stuff.

Gaming is heading on the same direction because companies today have now realized how much money they really make. It's more than the Hollywood!!

Stop comparing Epic to Sony. Epic is free to open up their storefront on PC however they like. PC is not restricted when it comes to gaming. You'll see several other storefront besides Steam like Blizzard/Battle Net/Origin/Epic etc. They are free to release their games anywhere they like and that's not the case with Sony/Microsoft (Xbox)/Nintendo. Everyone must comply with them and release games on one store on their console and i.e PSN/Xbox Live/eShop.

[geoneil]

Publicado originalmente por Yash:

You realize that PC is a open market right? You can sell your own game and make it exclusive to your own store. That's exactly what EA is doing with their platform i.e Origin. PC is the market here and no Uplay/Epic/GOG or anything else.

Ah right, so just to be clear, youre perfectly fine with Epic funding developers, games and franchises and making said developers, games and franchises exclusive to their own store. Well, why didn't you just say so?

EA and Ubisoft doesn't make consoles/hardware for you play games.

I notice you left out Epic and Valve here. How did the Steambox work out for Valve? Where's that Epic console you seem to know about.

You can't say same as EA/Ubisoft. They are making multi-platform games and selling them on consoles as well as PC. Win-win situation.

Just like Epic.

They have complete freedom on where to release their games.

Just like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo. Microsoft have announced that they will be selling their games, previously exclusive to Xbox One, on Steam. This will e Microsoft first party games that are also multi-platform and sold on the Xbox One as well as the PC.

Microsoft does what Nintendon't. Why?

You said:
"Why should Sony/Nintendo pour money into developing a console made of commodity parts and sell it at a loss when it's nothing more than a gateway to ONE store? Why not release that same store on the PC alongside other storefronts like Epic, especially if all consoles are download only?"

Well........It's Sony's/Nintendo's choice. You don't have any say in that matter. If you're not satisfied with their decision you may chose not to buy their consoles and games. Do you seriously think Sony/Nintendo would ever want to sell their games on PC? That's just weird...why would they do that? Again...its their decision.

Well...........................................................It's Epic/Microsoft's choice. You don't have in any say in the matter. If you're not satisfied you may choose not to download their launchers, buy their consoles and buy their games. Do you seriously think Epic/Microsoft would ever want to sell their games on [rival] consoles? That's just weird...why would they want to do that? Again...it their decision.

Oh wait, Epic - a PC-only store, ARE selling their games on consoles, Microsoft, developers of the XBOX only developer HAVE announced the release of previously XBOX One exclusive first party titles to Steam. Not Epic, not their own Microsoft Store - Steam.

This is what happens when you use personal incredulity as your sole argument, I can use that same personal incredulity back at you. You need a better argument than CONSOLES GOOD.

Most importantly who said anything about consoles going digital download only? Just because Microsoft launches all digital Xbox One S doesn't mean traditional disk based gaming is dead.

How do you use MUH TRADIITIONAL DISK BASDE GHEHIMINS on a console that doesn't have a disk drive?

Xbox One S all digital is targeted for a specific target audience only, especially for people who would like a smaller and compact console with a lighter weight and lesser price.

[citation needed]

Microsoft won't have to pay Sony for Bluray patents either.

Why would that be an issue?

The next gen consoles will continue the tradition of a Bluray disk drive.

[citation needed]

Sony knows a lot of people buy their games on Bluray (including me) and it would be a disappointment if they don't include them. Not everyone likes to download large chunks on data especially gamers who live in cities with poor bandwidth or developing nations where internet infrastructure as good.

Personal incredulity again and argument from personal taste, you play your games like this so everyone plays their games like this.

Why does my laptop not have a built in optical drive? Where are the physical copies of PC games? Why have Microsoft announced a download only console?

so yes, Playstation 5 and Xbox Project Scarlet will retain 4K UHD Bluray drives

So, just to be clear, Microsoft won't be paying Sony for BluRay patents because 4K UHD BluRay drives aren't patented by Sony, it' jut regular HD BluRay drives that Sony holds the patents to. Got it.

and every AAA/AA game will be available to buy at your nearest/online retailer in Bluray discs. This will play a more important role as next gen games are going to be extremely large. I remember RDR2 was almost a 100GB. Don't expect Sony to abandon Bluray at least for the next 15-20 years.

[citation needed]

LOL....I just told you how Sony makes money despite selling at a loss and all you've been replying to me is "Just like this, just like that and other bs, Just like what?"

I just told you how Epic behaves exactly like Sony without having to sell anything at a loss and all you've been replying to me is "but you can't compare Sony to Epic cos they're lime totes different, Why? How?"

My apologies for offending you with my previous post. Sorry :(

Your attempts to offend me tell me that you are arguing purely from emotion.

I'm not praising Epic in anyway. I told you before that they won't be getting my money. I'd rather buy the same game on PS4 instead of buying the game on Epic.

Why? Why would you rather buy an entire console than download a free launcher? It wouldn't be because you can actually buy Epic exclusives on your PS4 as well now, would it? You're still spending money on a console to play games that you can also get at no extra cost on the PC.

Again, it's pure emotion. You have a personal emotional connection to Sony that is so deep that you're prepared to spend extra money you don't have to in order to access a few games. You feel as if Sony are less a corporation and more a spouse or significant other. You could save yourself money and play those former PS3 and PS4 exclusives on your PC through buying them on Epic, but that would be like cheating on your waifu and you just aren't a polyamorous gamer, are you?

Although I don't like Epic's methods I don't fully blame them either. They're here for business and what they are doing is 100% legal.

But your perfectly fine with Sony and Nintendo's methods, which are no different to those of Epic.

Most of the people blame Epic but you must remember who's dealing with the devil, its the publishers!! They turn against Steam for a higher cut.

Just like Sega turned against everyone who's not Nintendo for a higher cut?

Epic saved those franchises, Epic saved those games. Just like Nintendo saved Bayonetta.

Publishers are interested in money especially the public companies that need to bring a big stock value for their investors.

This would include Sega, Sony and Nintendo.

I'd say Ubisoft, 2K Games, Deep Silver and all these other big publishers and people like Randy Pitchford are equally to be blamed.

Just like Sega and Platinum Games are to be blamed here.

If you have a problem sign a petition or vote with your wallet. Make these publishers realize that customer should be at the center. I agree with you on this one. but like I said its completely legal.

If you agree with me, why are you financially supporting Sony to keep their exclusives permanent to an entirely separate piece of hardware that you have to spend extra money to buy and pay a subscription for services that are free of charge on PC?

Let me give you an example. As much as I like playing games, I love streaming movies and TV at home. So today we are living streaming wars. Netflix was the one big key player 5 years back. If you wanted to watch a big movie, Netflix would most probably have everything you wanted but its changing. Disney, Amazon, AT&T are all into it today.

And the same will happen to PC gaming, especially if consoles go download only, public corporations (like Sony, Microsoft and Nintendo) will realise that they can make more money selling to a wider audience, especially if consoles go download only, because why buy a console?

Disney forced Netflix to cancel all Marvel Property shows because now they want YOU to pay them instead of Netflix. Got Netflix and want to watch some Star Wars or Marvel/X-Men movie? How about some Avatar or any Fox movie? Too bad its all going down in the coming months. Disney has decided to pull all TV shows/Movies related to any Disey/Marvel/Star Wars/Pixar property from Netflix. Disney basically owns everything you love.

Why do you have a problem with DIsney when you financially support Sony. Again, this is feels.

You feel that Disney are Bad and Wrong for making their properties exclusive to their portals. But you also feel that Sony are justified for making their properties exclusives to their portals, even though Sony's portals require you to buy Sony's hardware and pay Sony's subscription fee for services the competition provides for free.

AT&T will also remove all WB properties including most movies, including HBO shows like Game of Thrones, West World, series produced by WarnerMedia like the Office, Friends etc. will be available exclusively on their OWN streaming service starting from next year. This includes Harry Potter/DC Universe/Middle Earth and more.

[citation needed] and I refer you to the answer above, just swap out DIsney for AT&T.

Apple will continue the same trend and is about to invest billions into their own streaming service very soon. Expect to see more exclusive deals with movie studios and television producers.

Just like the games industry, in a situation you not only have no problem with, but financially support. But again, this is an argument from familiarity. you're familiar with Sony-chan keeping their properties exclusive to their portals, that you need their expensive dongle to access, so you buy the expensive dongle in order to play the exclusive games.

That's not it Amazon, Hulu, maybe even Google at some point will most definitely try to capture and secure stuff.

I can't get Hulu where I live and what is Google Stadia?

Gaming is heading on the same direction because companies today have now realized how much money they really make. It's more than the Hollywood!!

No, streaming is heading in the same direction as gaming. Hollywood is realising that if gamers are prepared to buy entirely separate pieces of hardware to access studio exclusive content, then they should be more than happy to sign up and subscribe to their portal to access studio exclusive content.

Stop comparing Epic to Sony. Epic is free to open up their storefront on PC however they like. PC is not restricted when it comes to gaming.

Meaning there's nothing to stop Sony from opening up their storefront on PC.

You'll see several other storefront besides Steam like Blizzard/Battle Net/Origin/Epic etc. They are free to release their games anywhere they like and that's not the case with Sony/Microsoft (Xbox)/Nintendo.

Why? If your answer is MUH CONSOLES then I have to remind you that we're having this discussion on the Steam discussion forums of a game published by Sega

Everyone must comply with them and release games on one store on their console and i.e PSN/Xbox Live/eShop.

.../Epic Games Store/Steam/Google Play/Apple App Store.

[Charged Dreamer]

I am speechless........

No, i am not fine with what Epic is doing but it's their call and what Epic is doing is nothing illegal. I think I've wasted enough time on this.

No, I left Epic because they did not make a console. Steam box? Was that even a thing? Don't you dare call it a mainstream console. Didn't even knew about it until reading a few articles on internet that consoles powered SteamOS were canceled and one of the most disappointing things in gaming industry. It was basically a low end PC with SteamOS instead of traditional Windows Os that costs $100-$150. Steam Os supported like 10 good games. What is your point dude?

Are you kidding?? Consoles aren't Epic's rivals. Remember that...okay? Epic probably loves money they're making by selling Fortnite skins, cosmetics and exclusive skins on PS4, XBox One and Samsung android devices. Epic's exclusivity is only concerned with PC. That's a contract between Epic Games and video game publisher who takes upfront cash from Epic in exchange for exclusivity on their store on PC. Again I repeat PC!!!!!!!! They have absolutely no issues with consoles. You're trying to mix those two. Don't do that, please!

What are you even saying when you meant Epic is selling their games on consoles? So far Epic has published only two games. i.e Fortnite (which is f2p multi-platform game) and Shadow Complex Remastered which was ported to newer gen consoles for PC/XB1/PS4. Epic has been focusing on free-to-play games since 2017.

I have no problem with Epic or Disney. What they're doing is legal even though I don't agree their methods.

Let's talk about Microsoft. You see Microsoft has lost the console war. For a decade PC gamers begged for XB1 exclusives on PC and they wouldn't listen. Too bad for them the XB1 tanked in sales. Microsoft realized that they're losing the console war and its best to change their older methods and restructure the way in which they sell their games. After years of negative feedback Microsoft finally agreed to bring most (if not all) games published by Xbox Game Studios on PC in traditional Win32 format. Now don't say why Microsoft did it? Dude they own Windows. And yes, they would continue to release all their games on Xbox/Microsoft Store for Wndows 10 alongside Steam. Case closed.

I recommend you to read what I said in my previous post. I repeat consoles will continue to have a Bluray disk drive. All digital Xbox One S is just a choice if you would like to. Besides Sony would never abandon Bluray because they're one of the founding member of Bluray Disc Association and right now Sony is the biggest player in Bluray discs.

I bought a PS4 for the exclusives way back in 2016. Playing multi-platform games was not my intention however I would rather buy Borderlands 3, Control, Ubisoft games on PS4 rather than waiting 6/12 months for the Steam release. I would wait for a Steam release if its a small indie game because you get them for really cheap on Steam especially on sales.

Yes, you're right. There's nothing to stop Sony and Nintendo or even Apple to enter into PC gaming market. They dont have to pay any royalties to Microsoft. But Sony and Nintendo would never do that because lets face it....They're not the biggest fans of PC.

What is Google Stadia? Kill me.....I'll add a few links and maybe a video.

Too many (citation needed)....I would have preferred if you do that for yourself since you don't like my sources. Ok....fine. I'll do my best.

Don't act like a small child now mate. Games are just going to naturally get bigger as the next gen consoles are going to support 4K 120fps, Real Time Raytracing, SSD instead of HDD, faster (or no loading screens) and what not including support for 8K resolution. The PS3 era games were around 10-25GB, PS4 era 45-90GB for AAA, 25-40 for AA so expect every PS5 AAA open world game to be 70-100GB. C'mon sense dude. Hope you agree with me on this one.

Links:

http://www.pushsquare.com/news/2019/04/dont_worry_ps5_will_have_a_disc_drive

https://gamerant.com/ps5-next-xbox-discs/

https://gizmodo.com/why-disney-freaks-me-out-about-the-future-of-streaming-1834762436

https://www.theverge.com/2019/5/14/18623082/att-streaming-warnermedia-netflix-hulu-friends-er-disney-comcast-nbc-universal

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/5/18124117/netflix-media-companies-remove-content-charts

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gy0Lbdn9S-o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sKOv9SSg05Q

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4SOS-a4ks7s

[geoneil]

Publicado originalmente por Yash:

I am speechless........

Don't act like a small child now mate.

No, i am not fine with what Epic is doing but it's their call and what Epic is doing is nothing illegal. I think I've wasted enough time on this.

So how can you be fine with what Sony are doing? What are Epic doing that is so different?

No, I left Epic because they did not make a console.

So you left Epic because rather than charge you hundreds of pounds for a set top box to access their exclusives, and only allowing access through their expensive set top box, while also charging you a monthly subscription for online services that can only be accessed through their expensive set top box.

You left Epic because they give you a free client to access their store, whilst also making their exclusives available to you on your expensive set top boc where you pay for what PC gamers get for free.

Now I know why you're so mad at streaming services, because Netflix, Disney, AT&T, Amazon Prime... they all make their services available as apps on various platforms. You'd much rather that each streaming service made their streaming console, then you'd be more than happy to sign up to all of the services.

If Epic start charging for online play, you and people like you will be the cause of that. Because you prefer to pay for online play.

If streaming services withdraw their apps from common platforms and insist that we buy their consoles as well as pay their subscription fee, you and people like you will be the cause of that. Because you prefer to have an expensive set top box.

Steam box? Was that even a thing? Don't you dare call it a mainstream console.

Don't act like a small child now mate.

Didn't even knew about it until reading a few articles on internet that consoles powered SteamOS were canceled and one of the most disappointing things in gaming industry. It was basically a low end PC with SteamOS instead of traditional Windows Os that costs $100-$150.

Or a console, as it's otherwise known.

Steam Os supported like 10 good games. What is your point dude?

Don't act like a small child now mate.

Are you kidding?? Consoles aren't Epic's rivals. Remember that...okay?

Don't act like a small child now mate.

Epic probably loves money they're making by selling Fortnite skins, cosmetics and exclusive skins on PS4, XBox One and Samsung android devices.

Key word: probably

Or to put it another way: [citation needed]

Epic's exclusivity is only concerned with PC.

Sony's exclusivity is only concerned with PS4.

That's a contract between Epic Games and video game publisher who takes upfront cash from Epic in exchange for exclusivity on their store on PC.

Oh, you mean Epic saves franchises the same way that Nintendo saved Bayonetta?

Again I repeat PC!!!!!!!! They have absolutely no issues with consoles. You're trying to mix those two. Don't do that, please!

Oh no, please don't say things that make Epic look better than precious Sony-chan and dearest Nintendo-senpai, because then you won't be able to argue from your feelings anymore.

What are you even saying when you meant Epic is selling their games on consoles?

That the games that launch exclusively on the Epic Store launch on consoles on the same day, y'know, the way PS4 and Switch exclusives don't.

So far Epic has published only two games. i.e Fortnite (which is f2p multi-platform game) and Shadow Complex Remastered which was ported to newer gen consoles for PC/XB1/PS4.

Which proves my point, Epic first party games are released on rival console, the way Sony and Nintendo first party games aren't.

Epic has been focusing on free-to-play games since 2017.

Irrelevant.

I have no problem with Epic or Disney.

Liar.

What they're doing is legal even though I don't agree their methods.

Their methods being, make their material exclusive to an app you don't have to pay for rather than an expensive set top box you do have to pay for.

Let's talk about Microsoft. You see Microsoft has lost the console war. For a decade PC gamers begged for XB1 exclusives on PC and they wouldn't listen. Too bad for them the XB1 tanked in sales. Microsoft realized that they're losing the console war and its best to change their older methods and restructure the way in which they sell their games. After years of negative feedback Microsoft finally agreed to bring most (if not all) games published by Xbox Game Studios on PC in traditional Win32 format.

The way Sony and Nintendo aren't.

Now don't say why Microsoft did it? Dude they own Windows.

They also their own store on Windows. They DON'T own Steam.

And yes, they would continue to release all their games on Xbox/Microsoft Store for Wndows 10 alongside Steam. Case closed.

Which makes them better than your waifu Sony-chan. Case closed.

I recommend you to read what I said in my previous post. I repeat consoles will continue to have a Bluray disk drive.

[citation needed]

All digital Xbox One S is just a choice if you would like to.

And a sign that physical media, even for consoles is on the way out.

Besides Sony would never abandon Bluray because they're one of the founding member of Bluray Disc Association and right now Sony is the biggest player in Bluray discs.

Sony were also the founding members of the UMD Association and the Memory Stick Authority. They were the biggest players in UMDs and Memory Sticks. Guess they'd never abandon those formats either.

I bought a PS4 for the exclusives way back in 2016. Playing multi-platform games was not my intention however I would rather buy Borderlands 3, Control, Ubisoft games on PS4 rather than waiting 6/12 months for the Steam release.

Why not buy them on Epic? They launch on the same day as the console as the PS4 version.

Ah right, I forgot. You have to justify the money you're sending to Sony-chan that I'm not seeing as I only have a PC and never bought a console.

I would wait for a Steam release if its a small indie game because you get them for really cheap on Steam especially on sales.

See also: Epic's Mega Sale.

Yes, you're right. There's nothing to stop Sony and Nintendo or even Apple to enter into PC gaming market. They dont have to pay any royalties to Microsoft. But Sony and Nintendo would never do that because lets face it....They're not the biggest fans of PC.

I'm sure Microsoft weren't the biggest fans of Steam.

What is Google Stadia? Kill me.....I'll add a few links and maybe a video.

I don't want links, I don't want video, I want you to explain in your own words what Google Stadia is rather than patronise by assuming you don't know.

Why did I ask "What is Google Stadia?" What was in response to? Why did you perform that contextectomy?

Would it be because if you were to give a direct explanation of what Google Stadia is, it would be Google's attempt of being the Netflix of Games?

Too many (citation needed)....I would have preferred if you do that for yourself since you don't like my sources. Ok....fine. I'll do my best.

Don't act like a small child now mate.

Don't act like a small child now mate.

You say while acting like a small child.

Games are just going to naturally get bigger as the next gen consoles are going to support 4K 120fps, Real Time Raytracing, SSD instead of HDD, faster (or no loading screens) and what not including support for 8K resolution. The PS3 era games were around 10-25GB, PS4 era 45-90GB for AAA, 25-40 for AA so expect every PS5 AAA open world game to be 70-100GB.

Speculation. How do these 70-100GB AAA games get onto a PC that doesn't have an optical drive?

C'mon sense dude. Hope you agree with me on this one.

Don't act like a small child now mate.

[[SF]Lone_Walker]

^Talking about an Epic fanboy moron....

[Charged Dreamer]

Hi Geoneil.....I've missed you bro ☺🤗🤗

I am fine with Sony. Listen, And I'm really sorry for not sharing your perspective. I really like playing with my PS4 and Sony is really killing it with amazing AAA exclusives. I can take God of War, Spider-Man, The Last of Us Part II anyday. As long as they keep making great exclusives and make single player stories and adventures, I've got absolutely no problems with them. Really excited for PS5.

I'm not a big fan of Epic Game Store. If they make great games like Sony I might reconsider it. C'mon please stop doing that. What's your problem. If you don't like them just don't buy one and play with your master race machine. At least don't bother the one's who keep both PC for multi-platform games and a separate consoles for exclusives and some better optimized games. In fact, I like having a PS4 because I can watch Bluray movies. Sadly I don't have a DVD drive on my tower.

And no....I won't be subscribing to every streaming service out there. I'm already subscribed to Netflix and might consider Disney+ if every movie studio starts cancelling and removing TV Shows and movies because Disney is willing to pay more for exclusivity.

I remember giving you at least 5 links. Please check that again. Please? And next time please stop saying cititation needed. If you need something tje internet is your friend. This is what happens when you dont read everything. Check the links again. Again...You're a fool if you think the next gen consolea will skip on disk drives entirely!

About the online pay....LOL 😂😂😂. I haven't subscribed to PS+ since 2v016. Just used to free trial. Its pretty good. Sometimes you get free online every once and then. I'm still mad at them for charging for online and copying Microsoft's Xbox Live Gold service. I haven't paid Sony a single penny for online multiplayer and monthly rental games. I've never been a fan of online games. If you look at my steam profile you'll see only single player games in my account (except free/giveaway games/gifts). I don't even need PS+ to enjoy PS4 exclusives. PS+ is the reason I'm using Steam along with PS4.

You know what....you're kinda right. I'm a liar because I actually love Disney or I could say I'm forced to love them. I've a big Marvel and DC fanboy. And Disney owns everything I love. They freakin own Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, Entire Fox studio, X-Men/Deadpool/Fantastic Four property along with Avatar and what not??? Its impossible to hate Disney or I'd be missing everything. This is just the beginning. Disney will continue buying more and more movie studios, television networks, companies, properties and and will one day become an unstoppable monopoly. Nothing creepy right?

Again...you said why not buy them on Epic. I'm simply not a big fan of Epic and would prefer then on PS4 (If its a EA Game/Epic Store exclusive). If its cheap on PC and have a co-op game I'll buy it on Steam.

And yes...I'll stay true to my speculation. Believe it or not but games are naturally going to get bigger and bigger in size as consoles can handle more powerful graphics with more raw power.

Take care.

[[SF]Lone_Walker]

Publicado originalmente por Yash:

Publicado originalmente por SFLone_Walker:

^Talking about an Epic fanboy moron....

lol.....trust me mate. You wouldn't want to go head to toe with this guy.

Be prepared for the bible this guy will answer you talking about how Epic is the god of the gaming market, even tho Sony MAKES THEIR OWN GAMES and Epic TAKES THE GAME HOSTAGE for a few V-Bucks money

[geoneil]

Publicado originalmente por SFLone_Walker:

^Talking about an Epic fanboy moron....

^ Talking about a console fanboy moron.

Publicado originalmente por SFLone_Walker:

Publicado originalmente por Yash:

lol.....trust me mate. You wouldn't want to go head to toe with this guy.

Be prepared for the bible this guy will answer you talking about how Epic is the god of the gaming market, even tho Sony MAKES THEIR OWN GAMES and Epic TAKES THE GAME HOSTAGE for a few V-Bucks money

Epic MAKES THEIR OWN GAMES and Sony and Nintendo TAKE THE GAME HOSTAGE for a few V-Bucks money.

But then again, you console fanboys are going to hate on Epic for doing what console manufacturers have done FOREVER


...while Epic release their games and the games TAKE HOSTAGE on platforms Epic don't own....

...such as consoles, whose manufacturers don't release the games TAKEN HOSTAGE on PC.


Also, what is the title of this thread?

What have logical and rational totally-not-Nintendo-fanboys been saying in response...

Publicado originalmente por The Holy Bible:

Praise be to Nintendo, the God of Gaming, for they didst save the Bayonetta franchise, and them beseeching that only the Real Gamers who play on Nintendo should suffer to play Bayonetta 2 and 3 is Good. For they say it shall be.

But thou shalt not suffer to play upon the Epic Game Store, for they doth not save franchises when they beseech that the games they fund be released not only the Epic Games Store, but also upon consoles, including the platforms of the LORD, Nintendo. They taketh hostage the games they fund. For they are Satan, they are Lucifer, they are the Anti-Christ. For Sony and Nintendo says it shall be.

Sound familiar to you?

If it doesn't, try looking in a mirror.

Exclusives are either bad when Sony-chan and Nintendo-senpai do it, or perfectly fine when Epic do it.

Begging me to not compare the two is desperately pleading to have it both ways.

[geoneil]

Publicado originalmente por Yash:

At least don't bother the one's who keep both PC for multi-platform games and a separate consoles for exclusives and some better optimized games.

You don't get to say that in the same paragraph as this...

Publicado originalmente por The Gospel According to Yash:

Thou shalt play upon consoles, for those that only play upon the PC are mustards and the PC is a master race machine.

What was that about the Bible again?

[[SF]Lone_Walker]

Wtf i don't even have a console, i'm a PC gamer and wtf is happening to this thread ? The main topic was Bayonetta 3 and now we are talking about Epic Store xD
But i don't like exclusivity deals either, Nintendo and Epic Store are in my black list forever, at least Sony make their own games and with quality, wish i could play them but well....

[Thundercracker]

Publicado originalmente por SFLone_Walker:

least Sony make their own games and with quality, wish i could play them but well....

lmao

if by "make" you mean "subcontract to other studios to have a game made for" you're right.

it also matters which particular branch of sony you're talking about. the now-defunct sony online entertainment didnt make anything at all, they just bought things.

[geoneil]

Publicado originalmente por SFLone_Walker:

Wtf i don't even have a console, i'm a PC gamer and wtf is happening to this thread ? The main topic was Bayonetta 3 and now we are talking about Epic Store xD
But i don't like exclusivity deals either, Nintendo and Epic Store are in my black list forever, at least Sony make their own games and with quality, wish i could play them but well....

Sony may make their own games, but they're still exclusive (and they very likely sign exclusivity deals too... as well as buy up studios and turn them Sony exclusive)

I can understand PC only gamers attacking Epic, they're bringing console-style tactics to the PC market.

But I don't get the defence of consoles... on the Steam forums. It's why I don't get this thread...

Epic may be using console-style tactics but they are bringing games to the PC, console manufacturers aren't (and even the games that are Epic exclusives, eventually come to Steam in any case)

And the only reason why console manufacturers can do what they do is because people buy consoles.

If the PS5 doesn't sell, what do you think Sony would do? Because I have a feeling it would involve expanding on PS Now, with the possibility of turning it into a storefront for would-have-been PS5 games. I don't think it would involve ever releasing those games on Steam, making Sony another Epic, only their exclusives won't be timed.

But this is all speculation, people will buy the PS5 regardless.

[Charged Dreamer]

Publicado originalmente por Dr Gori:

Publicado originalmente por SFLone_Walker:

least Sony make their own games and with quality, wish i could play them but well....

lmao

if by "make" you mean "subcontract to other studios to have a game made for" you're right.

it also matters which particular branch of sony you're talking about. the now-defunct sony online entertainment didnt make anything at all, they just bought things.

He probably means Sony as a publisher. We tend to always give the bigger credit to the publisher.

[mdesaleah]

Let’s all just agree that no console game will ever have first person mouse controls (Wii aim was close), and PC will never get some GOTY exclusives and chill. Waiting for Bayo 3 on Switch though.