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General Plastro 2017 年 4 月 12 日 下午 4:13
+1 for Bayonetta 2 on Steam!
Can we be blessed by having it here on PC? Cause while WiiU emulation is a thing, having it native is waaaaay better!

REmake and Resident Evil 0 were exclusives before... maybe Bayonetta 2 can also be bought over?

Or we will need to way some years down the line for that to happen?

Edit: changed title, lets make it just like the Resident Evil topics about upcoming re-releases!

EDIT 2.0, (EDITED for newer video!)

https://youtu.be/9kZQUz8MnAM

Well we "kinda" already have Bayonetta 2, still... a proper port would be ideal.

EDIT 3.0:

Lego Undercover, a game made by Traveller's Tales in 2013 was a WiiU exclusive that got first party support and was published worldwide solely by nintendo.

1 week ago (as the time of the original edit) the game had its multiplat release, Traveller's Tales actually managed to regain the publishing rights to it and made the multiplat release.

This is perfectly doable with Bayo 2, if Platinum and Nintendo cooperate like TT Studios.

It involves $$$ and probably burocratic work, but stop saying this is impossible.

http://store.steampowered.com/app/578330/

EDIT 4.0

Even better, we have Sonic Lost World here on steam, which has this official description on wiki:

"A trademark for the title Sonic Lost World was filed by Sega in May 2013.[27][28] The game was first revealed on May 17, 2013 in a Nintendo Direct announcement,[29] as part of an exclusive partnership between Sega and Nintendo for the Sonic the Hedgehog series.[28] It is one of three games in this partnership, the other ones being the fourth entry to the Mario & Sonic at the Olympic Games series, and Sonic Boom, a game based on the animated series of the same name."

http://store.steampowered.com/app/329440/

This also shows that Sega & Nintendo are not just willing to cooperate, but dont have problems releasing their exclusives on Steam (Sonic Lost World only got released on PC, not anywhere else).

This is good news, because if the companies had any known problems with each other, we could cross off Bayonetta 2 as possible, it would be just like No One Lives Forever that had the Fox/Activision/Warner Bros battle royale for the copyrights.

EDIT 5.0

Just a bit of info on the Bayonetta trademarks:

http://www.trademarkia.com/bayonetta-77444642.html

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=907234273

Bayonetta (all related products) are trademarked to Sega.
最后由 General Plastro 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 23 日 上午 12:21
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PFC Demigo [29th ID] 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:06 
引用自 General Plastro
114k sales!

Also, we should post about wanting Bayonetta 2 on the pinned thread by segadev! :)

Did you not bother paying Attention to the Conversation?
Nintendo owns rights to Bayonetta 2.
General Plastro 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:10 
引用自 General Plastro
114k sales!

Also, we should post about wanting Bayonetta 2 on the pinned thread by segadev! :)

Did you not bother paying Attention to the Conversation?
Nintendo owns rights to Bayonetta 2.

And Sega owns the Bayonetta IP

Nintendo only has publishing rights.

Sega holds the most important card, without their consent, Bayonetta 2 won't be re released anywhere else but the WiiU.
最后由 General Plastro 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:11
PFC Demigo [29th ID] 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:21 
引用自 General Plastro

Did you not bother paying Attention to the Conversation?
Nintendo owns rights to Bayonetta 2.

And Sega owns the Bayonetta IP

Nintendo only has publishing rights.

Sega holds the most important card, without their consent, Bayonetta 2 won't be re released anywhere else but the WiiU.

No, Platinum Owns the IP of Bayonetta.
SEGA owns right to the 1st game but Nintendo owns Full rights to the 2nd game.
Nintendo has the Publishing and Distribution rights not to mention they full Funded the game development and without the help of Nintendo there won;t be a Bayonetta 2. SEGA didn;t bother to fund not help not gave a decision for the 2nd game.
Setnaro X 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:30 
No, Platinum Owns the IP of Bayonetta.
No, SEGA owns Bayonetta the IP. PlatinumGames created the characters and game, but SEGA has full ownership over the IP.
PFC Demigo [29th ID] 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:34 
引用自 Setnaro X
No, Platinum Owns the IP of Bayonetta.
No, SEGA owns Bayonetta the IP. PlatinumGames created the characters and game, but SEGA has full ownership over the IP.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ getting sick with so many messy information all over here and on Reddit since the IP is confusing who actually owns it because SEGA can't Publish Bayonetta 2 as Nintendo has full rights and the 1st Bayonetta game has many missing content as they were Nintendo Exclusive contents. Then we got who actually has the rights and say for a Bayonetta 3 because Nintendo and SEGA now owns rights to the Bayonetta but Bayonetta has not been release on any other platform besides the WiiU and reddit suspects it will only get a Switch Re-Released.
iemander 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:42 
引用自 Setnaro X
No, SEGA owns Bayonetta the IP. PlatinumGames created the characters and game, but SEGA has full ownership over the IP.

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ getting sick with so many messy information all over here and on Reddit since the IP is confusing who actually owns it because SEGA can't Publish Bayonetta 2 as Nintendo has full rights and the 1st Bayonetta game has many missing content as they were Nintendo Exclusive contents. Then we got who actually has the rights and say for a Bayonetta 3 because Nintendo and SEGA now owns rights to the Bayonetta but Bayonetta has not been release on any other platform besides the WiiU and reddit suspects it will only get a Switch Re-Released.
Nintendo owns nothing, it only got an exclusivity deal. But most of those are time limited anyway.

And no chance it will get a Nintendo Switch launch
PFC Demigo [29th ID] 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:56 
引用自 iemander

♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ getting sick with so many messy information all over here and on Reddit since the IP is confusing who actually owns it because SEGA can't Publish Bayonetta 2 as Nintendo has full rights and the 1st Bayonetta game has many missing content as they were Nintendo Exclusive contents. Then we got who actually has the rights and say for a Bayonetta 3 because Nintendo and SEGA now owns rights to the Bayonetta but Bayonetta has not been release on any other platform besides the WiiU and reddit suspects it will only get a Switch Re-Released.
Nintendo owns nothing, it only got an exclusivity deal. But most of those are time limited anyway.

And no chance it will get a Nintendo Switch launch

From the Wiki and other sources that Nintendo OWNS Bayonetta 2 and not SEGA.
Shortly after the release of Bayonetta, Hideki Kamiya discussed with Yusuke Hashimoto ideas for sequels and spin-off games from the title. Despite these discussions, Kamiya believed they would never release a sequel.[17] However, Kamiya's Twitter account later stated that he might release the sequel if Bayonetta sold well. Bayonetta 2 was revealed during a Nintendo Direct on September 13, 2012.[18] The game's Wii U exclusivity was met with complaints by fans of the original game; PlatinumGames producer Atsushi Inaba responded that Bayonetta 2 would not exist if Nintendo had not partnered with the developer to make the game.

"Would Bayonetta 2 not exist without Nintendo? The answer is yes," says Atsushi Inaba, executive director at Platinum Games. He tells Polygon that Nintendo, the sequel's publisher, was a key partner in getting the game made.

"We were looking for a partner to create Bayonetta 2 and Nintendo was a strong, cooperative partner that was willing to create and grow Bayonetta 2 together [with us]. As a result the platform became the Wii U."

Sega was responsible for publishing the original Bayonetta, but the company has since scaled back on the number of titles it publishes. Platinum Games and Sega's most recent collaboration, Anarchy Reigns, has not been published outside of Japan, a source of frustration for Inaba. He says he still doesn't know when Anarchy Reigns will be released overseas, as Sega has not offered him an update.

Basically if Bayonetta 2 wants to see the a PC Release, it is up to Nintendo Decision as they are the Publisher Rights to it.
Setnaro X 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 6:59 
♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ getting sick with so many messy information all over here and on Reddit since the IP is confusing who actually owns it because SEGA can't Publish Bayonetta 2 as Nintendo has full rights and the 1st Bayonetta game has many missing content as they were Nintendo Exclusive contents. Then we got who actually has the rights and say for a Bayonetta 3 because Nintendo and SEGA now owns rights to the Bayonetta but Bayonetta has not been release on any other platform besides the WiiU and reddit suspects it will only get a Switch Re-Released.
I'm absolutely positive that SEGA owns Bayonetta the IP. In the Wonderful 101 credits, it specifically marks "Bayonetta characters (C) SEGA". It can't get any more clearer than that.
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j111/SetnaroX/SEGA%20owns%20Bayonetta_zpsh50geikk.jpg

引用自 iemander
Nintendo owns nothing, it only got an exclusivity deal. But most of those are time limited anyway.
And this is wrong too. Nintendo owns the publishing rights to Bayonetta 2 after PlatinumGames seeked out for a new publisher after SEGA commissioned it so. They went to Microsoft and Sony, both companies turned them down. Nintendo didn't sign for an exclusivity deal the same way they did with Sonic Lost World. Sonic Lost World continued to be published by SEGA in the US region, with the deal being that it'd be focused for a Wii U release. The exclusive contract has long since been cleared so they were able to release it on PC without Nintendo's consent. It's not the same thing with Bayonetta 2.

I keep having to use this example because it seems people WANT to be misinformed. Toejam and Earl. Everybody remembers that, right? The first 2 games were published by SEGA on the Genesis, and as such, SEGA owns the publishing rights to those games so they are free to release it anywhere they want. Like here on Steam:
http://store.steampowered.com/app/71166/
However, they DO NOT own Toejam and Earl the characters. That belongs to Humanature Studios, and the new game Back in the Groove will be published by Adult Swim.
http://store.steampowered.com/app/516110/
This is the best example I can use in terms of the situation that Bayonetta is under.
Bayonetta the IP = SEGA
Bayonetta 1 = published by SEGA
Bayonetta 1 on the Wii U = joint publishing between SEGA and Nintendo
Bayonetta 2 = published by Nintendo

And again, I'm not against the idea of Bayonetta 2 getting ported outside Nintendo platforms. It's possible for it to happen, but that involves SEGA needing to negotiate with Nintendo to see what can be done, but as far as things go, the chances are pretty minimal.
最后由 Setnaro X 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:03
PFC Demigo [29th ID] 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:00 
FFS I been saying that from the Start when I said Bayonetta 2 will not come to PC because they need Nintendo Permission.
The Chosen One 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 7:06 
No matter who owns the rights the chance is still there. As said before. Nintendo wouldn't ever do this and that has been proven wrong a few times already.
.coldfuzion 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 8:19 
The question is, how would they remove that Nintendo logo at the opening sequence? Would they shorten it perhaps?
Setnaro X 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 8:52 
引用自 LauriAJ
The question is, how would they remove that Nintendo logo at the opening sequence? Would they shorten it perhaps?
I guess they could easily cut that scene out I suppose. What I'm wondering about is what will they do with the Chain Chomp weapon and its LP. I quite love the piano rendition of Bob-bomb Battlefield that plays once you pass it over to Rodin, so I have to wonder what public domain song they'd have to choose to replace the original LP with, and it really wouldn't be the same to just make a plain old wrecking ball as a replacement. Especially since the Chain Chomp also helped out in locating hidden items by jumping towards the nearest object while barking.

There's also Rodin playing Zelda on the Gameboy.
最后由 Setnaro X 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 8:53
General Plastro 2017 年 4 月 19 日 上午 11:58 
引用自 Setnaro X
w.o.t

Sega owns the Bayonetta IP, this really isnt up for debate:

http://www.trademarkia.com/bayonetta-77444642.html

And:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=907234273

Do you guys also want me to screenshot the credit sequence in Bayo 2 where its explicit says that Bayonetta and all trademarks, likeness and etc belongs to Sega?

I think thats not necessary.

What isnt clear is what Platinum games own (if anything) regarding Bayonetta.

FFS I been saying that from the Start when I said Bayonetta 2 will not come to PC because they need Nintendo Permission.

And Nintendo cannot publish anything Bayonetta related (including Bayo 2 outside of the WiiU) without Sega's approval.

This is quite "dangerous" as it can mean that the game can get stuck in limbo if the 2 companies ever disagree on anything related to the series.
最后由 General Plastro 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 19 日 下午 12:11
General Plastro 2017 年 4 月 19 日 下午 12:01 
引用自 Setnaro X
引用自 LauriAJ
The question is, how would they remove that Nintendo logo at the opening sequence? Would they shorten it perhaps?
I guess they could easily cut that scene out I suppose. What I'm wondering about is what will they do with the Chain Chomp weapon and its LP. I quite love the piano rendition of Bob-bomb Battlefield that plays once you pass it over to Rodin, so I have to wonder what public domain song they'd have to choose to replace the original LP with, and it really wouldn't be the same to just make a plain old wrecking ball as a replacement. Especially since the Chain Chomp also helped out in locating hidden items by jumping towards the nearest object while barking.

There's also Rodin playing Zelda on the Gameboy.

Did the nintendo gamecube was cutted from Resident Evil zero? Nope.

Nothing needs to be cut, it would all really depend on Sega & Nintendo coming to an agreement (and having Zelda on Bayonetta is actually more free advertising for Nintendo, if anything else).

I still think the best bet at having Bayonetta 2 on PC is Sega coming to an agreement with Nintendo over porting Bayonetta 2 over to the switch & other consoles.

I say that because Nintendo & Sega WILL need to talk over if they ever want to put Bayo 2 on Switch.

Or maybe we get lucky and Bayonetta 2 comes to Switch + PC, in case nintendo whines about having the game on other consoles.
Setnaro X 2017 年 4 月 19 日 下午 1:10 
引用自 General Plastro
Did the nintendo gamecube was cutted from Resident Evil zero? Nope.
You're thinking of the REmake, and no, it wasn't cut, but they had to recolor it so it wouldn't resemble a Gamecube.
http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/residentevil/images/c/cd/Resident_Evil_remake_Gamecube_easter_egg.png

And it's not like they could easily cut that bit out, because the disk system passcode system that was designed to look like a Gamecube in the REmake was absolutely necessary to use to progress through the game.

The Nintendo references in Bayonetta 2 would definitely need to be cut if it appeared in other platforms outside of Nintendo. Free advertisement or not, it's not within SEGA's right to be displaying stuff they don't own.
最后由 Setnaro X 编辑于; 2017 年 4 月 19 日 下午 1:11
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