Rate Grindiness of this game.

[Xaelath]

9/10
My Journey to get the achievement
- Dungeon Backtracking with slowly and painful movement i hope they added dash which actually did in next remake.
- Challenge 101 Consecutive Symbol attack X times without getting noticed aka troll your enemy by abusing escape corner
- Challenge 404 Kill all deployed enemies except hidden enemies aka wipe clean the whole dungeon
- 1 Person max lily by spamming all kind of area buff multiple times, i am quite sure this one takes 30 mins or something
- Getting whole cards collection. I had to cheat on this one by making it unlimited but even so i had to spam X button like 1000 times+ (i had like every normal cards 90+) to get the whole set. Load and save will take much more time.

Now i need 1 more achievement which is hidden treasure... ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ this is painful.

If i didnt miss the 2nd run i probably only need 70-80 hours to get the complete achievement.
I almos cried on the 3rd run after finally get pass of that frickin normal ending. (i waste like 20-30 hours on 2nd run only to see it fail to get Revival Ending due forgot to take 1 subquest).

[Ztarman]

5/10

You only need to grind a bit during the Zero Arc (without DLC) which can be reduced dramtically if you bothered to do any challenges. The real grinding starts during the G Arc but that only requires Lv. 30 to get EXE Drives.

As for the other problems:

- Dash sneakers are earned during New Game+ which is why it is a good idea to NOT do any treasure hunting/miscellaneous tasks on your 1st playthrough. Megadimension VIIR does have a dash function but it's garbage compared to Superdimension VS Hard Girls and REQUIRES completion of Neplunker Zero to be viable and we all know how much the community throws in the towel regarding that dungeon.
- Having the White Orb or camping near a save point will offset the problem with consecutive hit treasure requirements
- Wiping out all enemies isn't a problem except Senmuu Labyrinth which requires the task to be done TWICE
- Takes less time to reach Max Lily Rank if one has the Novel idea chip, is paired with Nepgear, Compa or K-Sha and spams items instead of healing magic/buffs
- Card Master is BS but I don't see why you needed to cheat when it's heavily based on luck and RNG anyways.

[Xaelath]

Originally posted by Ztarman:

5/10

You only need to grind a bit during the Zero Arc (without DLC) which can be reduced dramtically if you bothered to do any challenges. The real grinding starts during the G Arc but that only requires Lv. 30 to get EXE Drives.

As for the other problems:

- Dash sneakers are earned during New Game+ which is why it is a good idea to NOT do any treasure hunting/miscellaneous tasks on your 1st playthrough. Megadimension VIIR does have a dash function but it's garbage compared to Superdimension VS Hard Girls and REQUIRES completion of Neplunker Zero to be viable and we all know how much the community throws in the towel regarding that dungeon.
- Having the White Orb or camping near a save point will offset the problem with consecutive hit treasure requirements
- Wiping out all enemies isn't a problem except Senmuu Labyrinth which requires the task to be done TWICE
- Takes less time to reach Max Lily Rank if one has the Novel idea chip, is paired with Nepgear, Compa or K-Sha and spams items instead of healing magic/buffs
- Card Master is BS but I don't see why you needed to cheat when it's heavily based on luck and RNG anyways.

Wait you need to wipe out senmuu labyrinth twice..?
Oh god..
It'll take a full hour to clean it.

[Xaelath]

Originally posted by Wolfie:

Those DLC options, utterly forfeit grinding though. Companions and Weapons, the clothing has some stats but those weapons and extra chrs completely change the tide of battles. Maybe it'll be on sale soon, but even if you actively unequip and ignore the DLC items, just having them. Means you can fight an enemy with ease and get that much needed lvl up, without back tracking and farming. There's a lot of game here, farming would just kill the tension and pace of a first time playthrough

Edit: imo

You arent wrong.
I didnt tried to farm in th first one but i did tried to get a normal ending.
Following the 2nd playthrough i thought it would be fine to follow up grind a little so i can clean up treasure later but i failed due mistakes.

Both using DLC items first one acessory and 2nd run was weapon because i am getting tired to do the same tension unless theres separate route with different line.
The downside also lies on the messed up Lily system which only level the front one instead between couples.
Then theres also the separated exp system which even more fked up, The system follow Fairy Fencer but FFF had abillity that you can farm that comes in very cheap ap to use on all character.
While neptunia... you need like eversingle person to use racing chip.

Till now i still think the 1st and 3rd were the best one in the series.

[Ztarman]

Originally posted by Xaelath:

Both using DLC items first one acessory and 2nd run was weapon because i am getting tired to do the same tension unless theres separate route with different line.
The downside also lies on the messed up Lily system which only level the front one instead between couples.
Then theres also the separated exp system which even more fked up, The system follow Fairy Fencer but FFF had abillity that you can farm that comes in very cheap ap to use on all character.
While neptunia... you need like eversingle person to use racing chip.

Till now i still think the 1st and 3rd were the best one in the series.

The Lily Rank system is better in this game since it can be easily exploited for each character separately instead of having to do 60-100 battles just to increase it by ONE (without a Harem chip). It only takes "longer" because Symbol Attack Gains isn't in the game like Re;Birth2 & 3.

Actually Uzume and S-Sha have Learning by default but it kind of sucks that everyone else needs the Racing Chip to benefit from EXP except that the Big Metal Dogoo will most likely raise everyone's level by at least 40 upon the first defeat not making it that much of a problem.

[Xaelath]

Originally posted by Ztarman:

Originally posted by Xaelath:

Both using DLC items first one acessory and 2nd run was weapon because i am getting tired to do the same tension unless theres separate route with different line.
The downside also lies on the messed up Lily system which only level the front one instead between couples.
Then theres also the separated exp system which even more fked up, The system follow Fairy Fencer but FFF had abillity that you can farm that comes in very cheap ap to use on all character.
While neptunia... you need like eversingle person to use racing chip.

Till now i still think the 1st and 3rd were the best one in the series.

The Lily Rank system is better in this game since it can be easily exploited for each character separately instead of having to do 60-100 battles just to increase it by ONE (without a Harem chip). It only takes "longer" because Symbol Attack Gains isn't in the game like Re;Birth2 & 3.

Actually Uzume and S-Sha have Learning by default but it kind of sucks that everyone else needs the Racing Chip to benefit from EXP except that the Big Metal Dogoo will most likely raise everyone's level by at least 40 upon the first defeat not making it that much of a problem.

Now that you mention exploit i guess so because you basically leveling all 4 character at once making them coupled in each 3 different person instead 1-1.

Which is faster though. Fighting enemies or spamming consumable items? i felt like my Neptune lily grind takes quite alot of times to grind for all the other character except dlc.

I do know Uzuma and S-Sha but its like only them own it still the system adapt from Fairy Fencer F since i notice the same settings except they had it on ap point without any restrictions for all character.

[Ztarman]

Originally posted by Xaelath:

Which is faster though. Fighting enemies or spamming consumable items? i felt like my Neptune lily grind takes quite alot of times to grind for all the other character except dlc.

I do know Uzuma and S-Sha but its like only them own it still the system adapt from Fairy Fencer F since i notice the same settings except they had it on ap point without any restrictions for all character.

Spamming items/supportive magic is faster than actually battling because you can leave 1 enemy on the field while doing the procedure which is better than looking for mobs of enemies. The Lily Rank system is similar to Action Unleash's where it takes longer to increase the lower the rank and much faster the higher it is.

They did it for balancing reasons and there's rarely any moments in the game where you have 4 party team active for long until the H Arc takes place.

[Mandrake42]

Often with JRPG's I don't bother trying to 100% the achievements as some of them have crazy requirements. When I look at the achievement requirements and realised that 100% is going to be excruciating, I normally just go for what I can get in a regular playthrough without actually destroying my fun. I finished Fairy Fencer F earlier this year and only got around 50% as the rest would have required so much grinding it would have destroyed the good time I had with the game.