How the ♥♥♥♥ do you beat the Eldar

[[TUUONCUOGB]BothChicken]

I'm playing the Campaign on Standard and the Eldar are so ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ OP. It's not that their units are necessarily, it's the fact that somehow, in a strength 6 province (at this point the lowest strength enemy province), I get swarmed with Howling Banshees (Im playing as IG). I can withstand a normal assault, but after a certain point they don't ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ stop. They just keep spamming units to no end. No other faction is this way and I have no idea how to stop it.

[Count Von Count]

Build a Baneblade

[Darko Tyrant]

Hey if you want to survive that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ swarm build a lot of turrets and defenses around your base if can can capture a relic so you can build the baneblade, also use one or tu basilisk when defending. When you can a lot of infantry and tanks then CHARGE!!!

[[TUUONCUOGB]BothChicken]

Originally posted by Kaiser Vlad:

Hey if you want to survive that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ swarm build a lot of turrets and defenses around your base if can can capture a relic so you can build the baneblade, also use one or tu basilisk when defending. When you can a lot of infantry and tanks then CHARGE!!!

I did. Turrets coupled with minefields as well as Guardsmen with grenade launchers in bunkers, along with Sentinels and the like to target their tanks did a huge number on them. For a normal assault it would've been fine, but it literally just didn't end, they kept coming and coming.

Anyway I figured it out; max out your honor guard and rush the enemy camp. Works every time.

[qrosa]

i'm not exactly sure how the AI works, but it seems that if they get their economy going, then they will just relentlessly spam-build troops, and sends them your way in big groups.

early rushes from your end, and keeping up the pressure really is king against the AI. not just to end games quickly, but more so to prevent them from getting a superior economy and amassing big forces. box them in, keep their economy small and slow down their teching.
a strong honor guard is very valuable, on some maps i'd say that they are even necessary, at least on Hard.

if you attack a province that has two enemy bases, and the enemy's commander is also present, you're gonna have a very bad time if you do not have some honor guard and do not attack them early to deny them economy and big forces.


i've recently played through the dark crusade and soulstorm campaigns with both eldar and tau, and both races have a seriously amazing honor guard. :-)
i had an absolute blast "routing" my way through the campaigns to reach provinces that reward strong honor guard units and useful bonuses like Fury, Increased Manpower and Spaceport.
i'm thinking of going through the campaign again with the IG, but i bet i will miss the might of the awesome tau and eldar. :-D

[Laidlaw]

You can always try to distract their army by engaging them and then pushing past to strike at their base. HQ is the only thing you need to destroy. Recently picked the game back up and I am playing on Hard on campaign as the space marines. wrecking the eldar first cuz they can be annoying to fight.

The IG can be tough to play. I was playing them on hard agaisnt chaos for awhile on each map. Just had to keep moving the line forward step by step.

It is better to be aggressive in this game rather than build up large army or play it safe. You will find the AI unfogiving to idle players. Always be active.

[Local Dent]

Pray to the God-Emperor and hope you have more bodies than they can shoot

[Sokite]

Originally posted by Local Hermit:

Pray to the God-Emperor and hope you have more bodies than they can shoot

You can't lose all your soldiers if you have more men than they have bullets.

[DrDrake]

I remember playing defending my HQ from eldar, they sure like to send a swarm of dragoons at my base even if i didnt had any tanks at the time. Mostly dragoons and banshees, along with farseer and harlequins. Being a space marine at this time has its minuses, but being an IG has huge pluses. Basilisk ability can kill swarms easily and entrenched squad (or whatever its called) can finish off the pieces whats left from swarm after.

[Shadowfang]

speaking of spamming what the hell is wrong with the necron ai theyve allways loved to just throw there lord into the middle of your army were youll just have to kill the ♥♥♥♥♥♥ over and over but this wraith spam is new i just did the fury mission as ig on normal all all they did was throw wraths at me made the damn mission take down to the last few secounds if anything i expected them to spam there free necron warriors on a side note slaughtering the necrons as imperal gaurd is a laughable idea

[DrDrake]

not usre what was the other map called, but you start at the hill and there are 3 crit locations aligned in the middle, thats where i get spammed with wraiths.

[qrosa]

against early-game wraith spam as IG, get a turret or two up.
place it at a choke-point, or otherwise just somewhere close to their base. the closer the better.

[CrazyGoblin]

Pretty much what others have said; rush them hard and cut off their map access. You don't need to bother with advancing into their base if it looks dangerous, just take the surrounding strategic points and dig in. Weapon teams are great, because the AI doesn't know how to counter them effectively (like with that ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ Kiss ability).

Use your honor guard and command squad to make the first move and interrupt their point capture while rushing weapon teams (or potentially hellhounds, all depending), and send a forward builder up to really entrench your position with LPs, turrets and infantry commands.

Once you've got a secure defense, sprint up to artillery and start pounding their base to screw up whatever teching they have going on. Keep this up while fortifying the rest of the map (mines, mines everywhere) and upgrading everything, so that the area is ready for a counterattack (IG being one of the best at map-securing in Dark Crusade, just behind orks and eldar). Once you're satisfied, strike the killing blow.

This will work for most maps, but some are simply too large to effectively nip them in the bud before they get their hands on a few more points and build a couple troublesome buildings/units. In those cases, you'll just have to improvise with whatever chokepoints you can find, and just settle for as much map control you can get your grubby hands on.


IG doesn't have very many really punchy honor guards, as an improved guardsmen squad is still just putting a nice polished shine on a cow pie. That said, try to get hold of the Agamar Desert (Bone 'Ead squad, ultimate beef even with their low model count) and see if you can snatch either the Panrea Lowlands or the Van De Mar Mountains for a Vindicare Assassin (useful against harlequin annoyance). If you can get both, all the better. Panrea Lowlands in particular is great for abusing the AI, as they will only ever attempt to leave their base via that one ramp, which you can blockade in order to give yourself free claim of 80% of the map, and you can easily bombard (or even just shoot into) their base from the ledge.

Rhean Floodlands and Murad Swamplands can also be picked up to find some Veteran Kasrkins hiding in the stagnant water, but those maps can be a little tricky to assault, all depending.

[qrosa]

^
solid post!
i always rushed Fury + Space Port, and then just went on to get some dope honor guard units. take yer pick!

after my IG playthrough of DC, i went on to play IG in soulstorm, and i sure missed my DC HG.
you do get two heavy weapons teams and two psykers in soulstorm, but i feel psykers and HWTs are less valuable because 1) you get access to them in lower tiers and 2) you can build more of them. can't deny the firepower of kasrkins or assassins either!
two kasrkins and two assassins in tier 1? yes please.