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Fiddlarn Jul 26, 2013 @ 10:07am
Hardest character to play/master?
i wondered. just for fun :D
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Rickie82 Jul 26, 2013 @ 10:47am 
Execution heavy and kinda special. C.Viper, Gen and Makoto. Hakan is a bit of an odball to. Then you have plenty of charecters that rely on lots of 1f links, but the three first mentioned is likly to be the ones you need to spend the most time with to get really good with.
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kim possible Jul 26, 2013 @ 2:15pm 
Originally posted by Moose:
i wondered. just for fun :D

To master: Gen, obviously, no doubt.

To play: a character can be hard on 2 sides: execution and playstyle

Hardest on execution side: Ibuki, Viper, Gen

Hardest on play side: Akuma, Evil Ryu, Seth, Dhalsim, Zangief, T.Hawk, Hakan, Gen, Adon, Makoto, Ibuki, Viper
Last edited by kim possible; Jul 26, 2013 @ 2:15pm
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Ravenus Jul 26, 2013 @ 2:37pm 
Seth/Akuma/Gen/C.Viper
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ZDH513 Jul 26, 2013 @ 3:45pm 
This is a tough question to answer cause i feel that the hardest charc to master is the one that requires you to constantly learn non stop and make read all the time cause nothing is consistent so in that sense i'd say Hakan, Yang, and Gen. Those 3 require you to non-stop learn the match up and more importantly change styles all the time while charc that are hard like akuma, viper, and ibuki have a game plan whether it be a vortex or a reliable cross up/BnB. The 3 charc don't have a consistent gameplan at all hakan needs oil but you need a game plan when oil isnt avaliable same with yang normals and always being beaten out, Gen with his stance switching.
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MDZ jimmY Jul 26, 2013 @ 4:10pm 
Originally posted by Szaki™:
Originally posted by Moose:
i wondered. just for fun :D

To master: Gen, obviously, no doubt.

To play: a character can be hard on 2 sides: execution and playstyle

Hardest on execution side: Ibuki, Viper, Gen

Hardest on play side: Akuma, Evil Ryu, Seth, Dhalsim, Zangief, T.Hawk, Hakan, Gen, Adon, Makoto, Ibuki, Viper

I really like your list, but I kinda have to disagree on gen being "hard to play".

I think once you know the character very well then the playstyle itself gets kinda boring. just look at how effecient xian uses him...I don't think he's that hard to play with. but getting there of course will cost you alot of nerves and patience because if you're just decent with gen then you'll probably get blown up by most players.
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Baby Forest Whitaker Jul 26, 2013 @ 9:22pm 
Gen and Viper are probably the two most difficult. Gen just because he 2 stances with unique moves and Viper because she requires flawless execution to be effective and dropped combos usually mean death for her.
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kim possible Jul 27, 2013 @ 4:28am 
Originally posted by YuhnMoorHuhn:
Originally posted by Szaki™:

To master: Gen, obviously, no doubt.

To play: a character can be hard on 2 sides: execution and playstyle

Hardest on execution side: Ibuki, Viper, Gen

Hardest on play side: Akuma, Evil Ryu, Seth, Dhalsim, Zangief, T.Hawk, Hakan, Gen, Adon, Makoto, Ibuki, Viper

I really like your list, but I kinda have to disagree on gen being "hard to play".

I think once you know the character very well then the playstyle itself gets kinda boring. just look at how effecient xian uses him...I don't think he's that hard to play with. but getting there of course will cost you alot of nerves and patience because if you're just decent with gen then you'll probably get blown up by most players.

"If you want to know about a matchup, you have to learn that character. For example, I picked up Akuma just to be able to fight against him." - Xian

He stated that players don't meet Gen often, and they don't know the matchup. In lot of cases, Xian knew the matchup that his opponent didn't, that's why he could beat'em.
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MDZ jimmY Jul 27, 2013 @ 12:44pm 
Originally posted by Szaki™:

"If you want to know about a matchup, you have to learn that character. For example, I picked up Akuma just to be able to fight against him." - Xian

He stated that players don't meet Gen often, and they don't know the matchup. In lot of cases, Xian knew the matchup that his opponent didn't, that's why he could beat'em.

so what exactly do you think will change when people "figure out" gen? the mixups are STILL mixups and it will be equally hard to block those. I don't think that anything would change. I just think that xian doesn't want to sound like a jackass because he knows his character is strong; that's why he just says that everybody else does not know how to play the matchup (which is partially true).

in the end you'll see that not alot will change before the big update...and we'll see what happens after the update.
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o_O Jul 27, 2013 @ 2:33pm 
Can´t see, why Ibuki is hard in terms of execution, considering the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of target combos and chainable normals. If she has 1f links, then she is not the only one. Also online tactics are also helpful for her.
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MDZ jimmY Jul 28, 2013 @ 3:54am 
Originally posted by Oil_BigBadOilyDaddy:
Can´t see, why Ibuki is hard in terms of execution, considering the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of target combos and chainable normals. If she has 1f links, then she is not the only one. Also online tactics are also helpful for her.

she is a character that has a highjump which needs to be trained in order to be useful. you cannot just pick up ibuki and expect to play well with her. on the other hand if you have a good understanding of footsies then you'll be able to pick up a character like ryu pretty easily.

oh and ibukis 1 frame combos (her 1F jab link) are not plinkable unless you learn how to plink with the select button. so I think she deserves to be on the "hard to execute" list.
Last edited by MDZ jimmY; Jul 28, 2013 @ 3:55am
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kim possible Jul 28, 2013 @ 5:00am 
Originally posted by Oil_BigBadOilyDaddy:
Can´t see, why Ibuki is hard in terms of execution, considering the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of target combos and chainable normals. If she has 1f links, then she is not the only one. Also online tactics are also helpful for her.

You know what SJC/HJC is?
Because it makes Viper and Ibuki the 2 hardest execution characters.

If you do THAT in less than a week, I may believe Ibuki is not hard. (my video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW8IWoF6e0w
Last edited by kim possible; Jul 28, 2013 @ 5:05am
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Rickie82 Jul 28, 2013 @ 11:49am 
Elfs loop is kinda hard to. tried for 2 weeks still couldent do it. Either it's hard or I suck.
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kim possible Jul 28, 2013 @ 12:48pm 
Originally posted by rickie_82:
Elfs loop is kinda hard to. tried for 2 weeks still couldent do it. Either it's hard or I suck.
I coudl done it after few hours. How bad it was nerfed. Originally it was an infinite loop. Now its not infinite.
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whatshisface Jul 28, 2013 @ 2:20pm 
Originally posted by Szaki™:
Originally posted by Oil_BigBadOilyDaddy:
Can´t see, why Ibuki is hard in terms of execution, considering the ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ of target combos and chainable normals. If she has 1f links, then she is not the only one. Also online tactics are also helpful for her.

You know what SJC/HJC is?
Because it makes Viper and Ibuki the 2 hardest execution characters.

If you do THAT in less than a week, I may believe Ibuki is not hard. (my video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KW8IWoF6e0w

I think this makes her hard to master but not hard to play. You don't need all this to play and win decent portion of matches.
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