Aquatuner and steam turbine setup?

[Candyman]

So, I see people with turbines and aquatuners in a bit of a loop, but i dont understand what the point is? Like, the turbine maxes out at giving you like 850 power, but the aquatuner consumes 1200... I must be missing something

[Artemis]

The aquatuner may not necessarily be running 100% of the time, which reduces its overall power draw.

[E Man]

The primary purpose of the turbine is to remove heat. Getting some power back is just frosting on the cake.

[Hedning]

The turbine destroys the heat moved to it by the tuner and produces a power rebate for the tuner. It is not a power generating combo. It is a cooling setup which cools using nothing but power. Very cheap on the power need too, especially when you upgrade it with super coolant.

[QuarkDoe]

In this setup, the turbine is used for cooling the aquatuner.
It takes 125°C vapor and returns the 95°C water.
The turbine itself also needs to be cooled.
And it use the self-cooling mode with turbine output water, i.e. through spilled refined oil (10 kg per cell is enough) and a radiant liquid pipe.
In this mode, the turbine gives somewhere 150-300W, because it works intermittently and does not have time to reach full output power, but aquatuner is cooled and therefore we reach our goal.

BTW aquatuner for such setup should be make of steel and supercoolan not neccessary, refined oil enough.
Gold vulcan example:
https://i.imgur.com/Yo5vzPY.png

[AlexMBrennan]

supercoolan not neccessary, refined oil enough.

Obviously efficiency is never necessary, but you are paying the same 1200W to cool water/polluted water/supercoolant which can absorb a lot of heat as you would have to pay for petroleum which can barely absorb any heat.

Gold vulcan example:

I don't think you understand why aquatuners are used at all. You see, heat flows from the hotter object to the colder object, and we need to spend energy to reverse this (e.g. your fridge uses electricity to move the heat from your food to the outside).

A typical use for an aquatuner would be to cool your base to 20C because the ambient temperature of 50C is not enough to produce steam: You pay electricity to move the heat from your 50C base into the steam, which is then destroyed by steam turbines.

However, gold volcanoes are considerably hotter than 125C, so there is no need to pay electricity to move the heat from the 2600C molten gold into the steam. Just pump 5tons of steam into the volcano room and you can scrap the 2 coal generators that are powering your cooling loop, and even generate some electricity for your base:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2226000818

At the very least you should use a passive cooler to pre-cool the gold to 125C before you start using active cooling to further reduce the temperature if you are worried about the gold heating up your base too much.

[TasteDasRainbow]

Move heat from base to aquatuner, spend electricity to consume heat and lower overall base temp, or simply to cool hydrogen/oxygen enough to liquify it.

[QuarkDoe]

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

supercoolan not neccessary, refined oil enough.

Obviously efficiency is never necessary, but you are paying the same 1200W to cool water/polluted water/supercoolant which can absorb a lot of heat as you would have to pay for petroleum which can barely absorb any heat.

Where do you get the supercoolant before you go into space?

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

supercoolan not neccessary, refined oil enough.

I don't think you understand why aquatuners are used at all.

No u.

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

supercoolan not neccessary, refined oil enough.

A typical use for an aquatuner would be to cool your base to 20C because the ambient temperature of 50C is not enough to produce steam: You pay electricity to move the heat from your 50C base into the steam, which is then destroyed by steam turbines.

You cool entire base? For what?
The only places that required cooling are farms.
All heat sources should be moved out of living space.
Cooling by aquatuner the oxygen, not a base, supplied to the base is required only if you do not have the cool slush geyser or polluted water vent.

Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:

supercoolan not neccessary, refined oil enough.

However, gold volcanoes are considerably hotter than 125C, so there is no need to pay electricity to move the heat from the 2600C molten gold into the steam. Just pump 5tons of steam into the volcano room and you can scrap the 2 coal generators that are powering your cooling loop, and even generate some electricity for your base:

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2226000818

At the very least you should use a passive cooler to pre-cool the gold to 125C before you start using active cooling to further reduce the temperature if you are worried about the gold heating up your base too much.

1. I dont need additional power sources, becouse petrolium and natural gas generators are enough in most cases.
2. Volcanoes are not a very convenient source of energy, because they work periodically.

BTW. I don't think you understand how to build apropriate airlocks.
https://i.imgur.com/IuriCMi.png

[Xilo The Odd]

i mean, additional power sources even if they are periodic, results in not needing to burn your primary fuel source, so you can stockpile fuel and possibly use the substances for other things if you have overflow.

[AquaX]

Petrol and gas generators will provide for basic needs but you want to have so much more later on. By nature, the world slowly boils from all the heat the geysers and space generates which makes the aquatuner and steam turbine very valuable. Aquatuner removes 15C worth of heat off 10kg liquid which is a lot. You can send that cooled liquid somewhere else to extract the heat elsewhere and bring it back.

[Hedning]

Originally posted by QuarkDoe:

BTW aquatuner for such setup should be make of steel and supercoolan not neccessary, refined oil enough.
Gold vulcan example:
https://i.imgur.com/Yo5vzPY.png

Since there still is some confusion I'd like to second Alex on this. This aquatuner is 100% waste. Aquatuners are useful to move heat from a <125°C environment into a steam turbine. Your gold volcano is already hotter than 125°C so you can use the steam turbine directly. The aquatuner does nothing in your picture.

Also specific heat capacity directly affects the heat moved per Joule spent. Petroleum is terrible because it has a heat capacity of 1.76. Before you get super coolant polluted water is the best liquid to use for aquatuners because it has a heat capacity of 4.179. That it turns to steam at 120°C is not a problem because like we said before you should cool hotter environments with the steam turbine directly. There is never a reason to move heat within a >125°C environment with an aquatuner.

[Hedning]

Originally posted by QuarkDoe:

You cool entire base? For what?
The only places that required cooling are farms.
All heat sources should be moved out of living space.
Cooling by aquatuner the oxygen, not a base, supplied to the base is required only if you do not have the cool slush geyser or polluted water vent.

I can't speak for him, but I cool my base to 24-26°C because I want to be able to place mirth leaves and bluff briars anywhere I feel like and also so I don't need ugly insulation around my nature reserves with thimble reeds and bristle blossoms. And because I like my dupes being comfortable as much as possible without exosuits.

[AlexMBrennan]

Where do you get the supercoolant before you go into space?

I listed three liquids which work better than petroleum, only one of which has to be obtained from space. You were supposed to figure out that using the 2nd best coolant is preferable to using the worst coolant.

You cool entire base? For what?

I did not say that either.

Cooling by aquatuner the oxygen, not a base, supplied to the base is required only if you do not have the cool slush geyser or polluted water vent.

If you cool the base by cooling the oxygen then you are cooling the base.

1. I dont need additional power sources, becouse petrolium and natural gas generators are enough in most cases.

I already agreed that efficiency is optional.

[Moopieboo]

An aquatuner heats up and has to be cooled, otherwise it will get damaged or it will melt.

The aquatuner will output it's heat into the surrounding area, if you make that area a pool of water it will heat up the water and turn it into steam.
If you make that crude oil it'll turn into petroleum and then sour gas.
Sour gas can't be used to power anything and definitely not a steam turbine so we use water.

Problem:
The steam will heat up so much that it'll start to damage your aquatuner due to overheating, and maybe at some point melt it. Steam can go up to 1000+ degrees.

A solution:
Build a steam turbine, this will suck up the steam of ~125+ degrees generated by the heat of your aquatuner and output ~95 degrees of water back into the area with the aquatuner, thus removing heat. I've read it does remove around 10 percent but I'm not sure if that's correct.

Cherry on top:
Steam turbine generates a little power so instead of using 1200W from any power source you'll be using less.
If you're able to get full capacity out of the steam turbine (+850W) you'll only have to add 350W from a different source to get to the 1200W the aquatuner uses.

[caseyas435943]

Yup cooling is almost free if your turbine gets up full power. About 1/2 a coal plant to run. Is a way of thinking of it. They insanely cheap. Yes please. I can make everything 25 degrees for 1/2 a coal plant? Really? :)

[UnkindledThuum]

Speaking of Aquatinters and Tepidizers I just managed to make a perpetual energy supply with a tepidizer and 2 steam turbines XD.
I'm netting 234 watts with no cost save the time to set it up. Muahahaha.