Oxygen Not Included

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FRS Dec 29, 2022 @ 9:12am
*Conduction Panel* - How to use it?
So I have been playing the on debug mode to test the new item "Conduction Panel" and at the moment, I am not able to make it work properly.

For example, I put a metal tile and the conduction Panel over it, with cold polluted water, and the exchange is very slow. It is still preferable to use radiant pipe.

Can someone explain me how it works? Some photos of it working or video? I really don't get it. I know it works on vacuum, but the speed of exchange is not good at all... What I am doing or thinking wrong?
Originally posted by AlexMBrennan:
Ok, so lets say I have brine water at -10 C. And I have a radbolt on space at 700C. I do a simple pipe to the think. What should I see? The water on the pipe gets warmer? The device is colder?
Yes.
Big Temperature exchange?
Probably not. In a totally unscientific test I did the temperature of a robominer increased from 0C to 0.3C using radiant pipes & viscogel, and from 0C to 2.4C using two panels (using supercoolant and aluminium for everything).

It's good enough for buildings that don't generate much heat (e.g. robominers) but if you building reaches 700C then you might need a more heavy duty cooling solution.

So, if I have a plant in the oxygen, and I have warm water running on isolated pipes, and I put over the plants The Conduction panel, should it work?
I don't know if it should work but it does not appear to work - after one cycle of running -100C supercoolant through a panel the temperature of the 22.2C mealwood plant did not change at all.

If you need plants to stay cold then just use radiant pipes to keep the atmosphere of the room at an appropriate temperature.
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POWER WITHIN USER Dec 29, 2022 @ 9:27am 
Place it behind a robo miner, radbolt generator or mission control station (you know, the things you have to place in a vacuum and that will overheat) and then have the water flow to and from an aquatuner, though depending on the heat generated you're better off running non-water behind things and then using a heat exchanger to link it up to an aquatuner that's running water.

It's not meant to exchange heat with tiles that aren't isolated and that will transfer heat with every other tile they're touching.
XceptOne Dec 29, 2022 @ 9:31am 
All buildable foreground tiles (like metal tiles) already connect to pipes naturally. You never needed a conduction panel in the first place.
Background buildings do not directly exchange heat with other buildings (like pipes) but they will directly exchange heat with the liquid in the middle part of a conduction panel overlapping that building.
For example, a conduction panel can draw heat directly from an autominer placed in vacuum and keep it from breaking.
The conduction panel is not meant to replace radiant pipes where they already work, but can instead be used in situations where radiant pipes would do nothing.

How it should look: The middle part of the panel is supposed to overlap the background building it is meant to exchange heat with.
FRS Dec 29, 2022 @ 4:29pm 
Originally posted by POWER WITHIN USER:
Place it behind a robo miner, radbolt generator or mission control station (you know, the things you have to place in a vacuum and that will overheat) and then have the water flow to and from an aquatuner, though depending on the heat generated you're better off running non-water behind things and then using a heat exchanger to link it up to an aquatuner that's running water.

It's not meant to exchange heat with tiles that aren't isolated and that will transfer heat with every other tile they're touching.

Ok, so lets say I have brine water at -10 C. And I have a radbolt on space at 700C. I do a simple pipe to the think. What should I see? The water on the pipe gets warmer? The device is colder? Big Temperature exchange?
FRS Dec 29, 2022 @ 4:33pm 
Originally posted by XceptOne:
All buildable foreground tiles (like metal tiles) already connect to pipes naturally. You never needed a conduction panel in the first place.
Background buildings do not directly exchange heat with other buildings (like pipes) but they will directly exchange heat with the liquid in the middle part of a conduction panel overlapping that building.
For example, a conduction panel can draw heat directly from an autominer placed in vacuum and keep it from breaking.
The conduction panel is not meant to replace radiant pipes where they already work, but can instead be used in situations where radiant pipes would do nothing.

How it should look: The middle part of the panel is supposed to overlap the background building it is meant to exchange heat with.

So, if I have a plant in the oxygen, and I have warm water running on isolated pipes, and I put over the plants The Conduction panel, should it work? Or should do it with radiant pipes?
The author of this thread has indicated that this post answers the original topic.
AlexMBrennan Dec 29, 2022 @ 4:47pm 
Ok, so lets say I have brine water at -10 C. And I have a radbolt on space at 700C. I do a simple pipe to the think. What should I see? The water on the pipe gets warmer? The device is colder?
Yes.
Big Temperature exchange?
Probably not. In a totally unscientific test I did the temperature of a robominer increased from 0C to 0.3C using radiant pipes & viscogel, and from 0C to 2.4C using two panels (using supercoolant and aluminium for everything).

It's good enough for buildings that don't generate much heat (e.g. robominers) but if you building reaches 700C then you might need a more heavy duty cooling solution.

So, if I have a plant in the oxygen, and I have warm water running on isolated pipes, and I put over the plants The Conduction panel, should it work?
I don't know if it should work but it does not appear to work - after one cycle of running -100C supercoolant through a panel the temperature of the 22.2C mealwood plant did not change at all.

If you need plants to stay cold then just use radiant pipes to keep the atmosphere of the room at an appropriate temperature.
Last edited by AlexMBrennan; Dec 29, 2022 @ 4:59pm
Joelle(Linux) May 1, 2023 @ 8:32am 
When utilising the Conduction Panel on a Steam Turbine to test how it works, I noticed it wasn't very effective at cooling the building, or transferring a thermal load from itself to its contents. I tried in several configurations: directly behind the building in a vacuum and in oxygen, both dry and partly submerged in water, and behind a Metal Tile as a foundation protected by an Insulated Tile. While watching the info display I noticed the contents reported as empty seemingly more often than as having 10kg of water in it. I then attached a Liquid Valve to the end of the loop to ♥♥♥♥♥♥ outflow. this significantly improved thermal transfer and improved the Steam Turbines stable temperature. However, at higher throughputs, the info card still displayed no contents from time to time. Output temperature of the water also, to me, seemed a little low for the functionality of this device. Coolant input temp was maintained at 20 degrees Celsius, steam temperature was maintained at 200 degrees(+/- 5 variation)... the Steam turbine settled at about 60c depending on Conduction Panel coolant throughput(closer to 50% seemed better), and coolant output stabled at only around 23 degrees Celsius.

Overall, my question is, is this intended? Is the effectiveness of the Conduction Panel meant to be low, and is the load transfer to contents meant to be minimal? And is the display of "no contents" simply a visual bug/display error, or is the device actually empty during some or most game ticks, impeding thermal transfer? I deal with heat exchangers somewhat often in real life, and perhaps their effectiveness is colouring my expectation, but this implementation seems... very limited. Is it meant to be?

EDIT: Sorry, the Steam Turbine maxes, it never settles at an operational temperature.

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2970019679

https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2970019559

Included to demonstrate loop is more than capable of cooling the test rig:
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=2970022575
Last edited by Joelle(Linux); May 1, 2023 @ 9:53am
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